JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

How do you get 1:09 as a likelier time?

I'm relying mainly on the testimony of Helen Markham! Not a reliable witness I think we can all agree but she is probably reliable on time. She regularly left her house to resume her waitressing duties at the same time each day to catch her bus. There is no indication that Mrs. Markham was a bad time keeper at the restaurant. And one fellow witness at the Tippit scene remembered Mrs. Markham worrying that she had maybe missed her regular bus.

There are other supporting witnesses and log-in times at the mortuary as well, but Helen Markham's daily routine points to an earlier time of the Tippit murder than 1.15.

[Patrick Differ]

FBI Agents Sibert and O ' Neil were at the Bethesda Autopsy. In their Summary Report to the WC in December 1963 they obliterate the SBT.

SIbert was 2 feet from Kennedy and states in the report that the back wound was below the right shoulder blade. In 2005 he gave a deposition to ARRB and restates that the wound in the back was not where it is shown in the sketches.

Specter interviewed both Sibert and O Neil after reading their report and kept them from the Warren Commission. The Single Bullet Theory came out in June 1964? RIght. No problem here whatsoever. Where is the xray photo showing the back entrance wound? It was a sketch that Humes used?

Sibert and O Neil go on to say that they never considered the SBT because the bullet trajectory was on a downward slope of 45 to 60 degrees.

So between December 1963 and June 1964 the Single Bullet " Theory" was crafted and presented. The Zapruder Film was put on ice until 1975.

So what did this magic bullet supposedly do...magic because it was barely deformed?
It had to traverse..
15 layers of clothing
A back brace ( if bullet entered under shoulder blade)
7 layers of skins
15 inches of muscle tissue
pulverized 4 inches of Connallys Rib (bone)
Shattered Connallys radius bone

Yet it was barely deformed?

As Sibert and O' Neil said...it didn't happen. They saw the back wound first hand.

Simple question here is if there were xrays of Kennedys back then why didn't Humes use those in his presentation to the Warren Commission?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Humes, Boswell and Finck told you what happened. They were supported by the autopsy photos which are 100% genuine, the x-rays which are 100% genuine and the Zapruder film which is 100% genuine. The totally legitimate and honest WC got things wrong but the outcome 10o% correct. These results were confirmed by the team of experts on the HSCA who examined the evidence minutely and concurred. They only went for ‘conspiracy’ because of audio evidence which we now know was nonsense. (Something that we could have told you before those recordings were made public)

Oswald, if innocent, went out of his way to act as the guiltiest man ever.

No further discussion is required. The evidence was evaluated and the correct conclusion was reached.

Everyone should move on. Endlessly torturing the Kennedy family isn’t much of a hobby imo.

[FrankO]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I have repeatedly posted links.

Here's another one.

Indeed, he doesn't, Fiver.

This is Knott Lab's representation of frame 225:



This is frame 225 of the Zapruder film:



This are frames 222 & 223:



It's clear that Kennedy was hit before frame 225 and that Connally was more turned to his right in frames 222 & 223 than in 225. Who's to say that the two men weren't aligned in those frames? Who's to say that Connally hadn't been sitting like that for a number of frames until frame 224? Knott Lab doesn't answer this question.

[Patrick Differ]

If Kennedy were hit by a high velocity bullet than why in the frames you show is Connally not reacting? I guess it depends on what you are paying attention too..Frank.

Also why did the 2 FBI Agents present and only 2 feet away from Kennedys body at the autopsy in Bethesda say that the back wound, that Humes did not trace, was below the right shoulder blade? Yet Specter kept them away from the Warren Commission?
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It did not fit their narrative of one shooter. Oswald could not have reloaded to hit Connally. Was Connally still holding his hat in Frame 272 when his wrist was supposedly shattered?

Where is the xray of the back? Not the sketch. And why was Humes forced to use sketches of the head wound?

Too many questions remain unanswered. Thats what I see. Believe what you want.

[Patrick Differ]

https://knottlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Connally-Shift-Z225.jpg

If you are going to dispute Knott Labs at least use their correct representation

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yet despite being seen as a burden Robert Oswald never shot at the POTUS. So why did Lee?

You can’t be serious Cobalt surely? Different people react in different ways. Not everyone that had an abusive childhood turn out to be an abusive adult. Oswald might have had issues before any ill treatment that just hadn’t surfaced.

[Herlock Sholmes]

That is an inaccurate description. Howard Brennan saw someone on the 6th floor. The description matched Oswald, but since Brennan had seen Oswald on TV before the lineup, he couldn't be 100% sure.



That is an inaccurate description.

Mrs. R. E. ARNOLD, Secretary, Texas School Book Depository, advised she was in her office on the second floor of the building on November 22, 1963, and left that office between 12:00 and 12:15 PM, to go downstairs and stand in front of the building to view the Presidential Motorcade. As she was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM.



That is an inaccurate description.

Mr. BAKER - The first shot.
We simulated the shots and by the time we got there, we did everything that I did that day, and this would be the minimum, because I am sure that I, you know. it took me a little longer.
Mr. DULLES - I want to get clear in my mind and for the record, it started at the first shot and when did it terminate, when you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - When we saw Oswald.
Mr. DULLES - When you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES - And that time is how much?
Mr. BAKER - The first run would be a minute and 30 seconds, and then we did it over, and we did it in a minute and 15 seconds.

Mr. BELIN - You mentioned the relationship between what we did on March 20 and what actually occurred on November 22. Would you estimate that what we did on March 20 was the maximum or the minimum as for the time you took?
Mr. BAKER - I would say it would be the minimum.
Mr. BELIN - For instance, on March 20 did we do anything about trying to get through any people on the front steps of the building at all? Did we slow down at all for that?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Did we slow down at all on March 20 for the time it took you to look over the scene as to what was happening in the area down Elm Street and the Parkway?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.

Brennan disproves every single person that said there were no shots from the 6th floor window. If there were no shots from that window there would have been no one in that window (this can’t be denied) And yet this young guy, Howard Brennan, went straight to a Police Officer, immediately after the shots, and placed someone in that window. Of all of the locations that he could have invented seeing a gunman he just ‘luckily’ picks the exact window and gives a very decent description of Oswald.

Then add that to the others that saw someone in that window and it’s game over. Oswald was in the 6th floor window firing his own Mannlicher Carcano three times at Kennedy.

Has anyone yet suggested that Brennan was ‘in on it.’ I’d be amazed if they hadn’t.

[Herlock Sholmes]

https://knottlab.com/wp-content/uplo...Shift-Z225.jpg

If you are going to dispute Knott Labs at least use their correct representation

Who runs Knott Labs? Jim Dieugenio? Oliver Stone?

[Patrick Differ]

Knott is a legitimate forensic engineering company. Maybe you should research it, maybe even reach out on Linked In, before you make an idiotic comment.

[cobalt]

And yet this young guy, Howard Brennan, went straight to a Police Officer, immediately after the shots, and placed someone in that window. Of all of the locations that he could have invented seeing a gunman he just ‘luckily’ picks the exact window and gives a very decent description of Oswald.

Brennan was a 44 year old grandfather so calling him 'young' is a bit of a stretch. Which means the issue of his eyesight might be called into question. After all he said the gunman was standing up, an impossibility if firing through the open window. He also said the gunman was wearing light coloured clothing although it's accepted Oswald was wearing a dark coloured shirt in the TSBD. However Brennan, according to his own account published in 1987, had always enjoyed exceptional eyesight. He describes this in terms of religious revelation:

My faith leads me to believe that my gift of super-eyesight may have caused Providence to place me at that spot in Dealey Plaza.

Brennan also offered up a couple of interesting observations. Regarding the line up, he was asked by a Dallas officer, 'Does the guy standing second from the left look the the man you saw?' Not much quality control in evidence there. Perversely, although he claims to have immediately recognised Oswald, Brennan refused to commit himself at that time. Workmates have confirmed that Brennan was a frightened man in the days that followed, and fear of being identified as a key witness is the reason Brennan gave for delaying his ID of Oswald.
The other interesting detail is that a JFK look-alike entered his house that evening in the company of the FBI. Apparently this man was a body double for the President and chatted about a few occasions when he had been used in this capacity. It's a strange tale and what purpose could be served by inviting him along to the Brennan household is hard to discern.

[Herlock Sholmes]

And Humes, Boswell and Finck were men of impeccable reputation and patriotism and yet you have no issue trashing their reputations by calling them traitors. My apologies Patrick but I’ll take no lessons on how to show respect when you and others have systematically trashed and smeared the reputations of an untold number of men and women. Pathologists, scientists, military personnel, secret service agents, Warren Commissioners, Warren counsels and various investigators, those on the HSCA, Dallas Police officers etc. All casually tossed aside as traitors whilst an actual traitor and actual murderer gets treated like a poor victim. Perhaps you might spare even a fraction of the sympathy that you show scum like Oswald and show it to the families of those whose reputations you casually trash. And then there’s the 60 years of sticking the boot in to the Kennedy family. Sowing false seeds of doubt to fuel a cottage industry based on self-interest.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Brennan was a 44 year old grandfather so calling him 'young' is a bit of a stretch. Which means the issue of his eyesight might be called into question. After all he said the gunman was standing up, an impossibility if firing through the open window. He also said the gunman was wearing light coloured clothing although it's accepted Oswald was wearing a dark coloured shirt in the TSBD. However Brennan, according to his own account published in 1987, had always enjoyed exceptional eyesight. He describes this in terms of religious revelation:



Brennan also offered up a couple of interesting observations. Regarding the line up, he was asked by a Dallas officer, 'Does the guy standing second from the left look the the man you saw?' Not much quality control in evidence there. Perversely, although he claims to have immediately recognised Oswald, Brennan refused to commit himself at that time. Workmates have confirmed that Brennan was a frightened man in the days that followed, and fear of being identified as a key witness is the reason Brennan gave for delaying his ID of Oswald.
The other interesting detail is that a JFK look-alike entered his house that evening in the company of the FBI. Apparently this man was a body double for the President and chatted about a few occasions when he had been used in this capacity. It's a strange tale and what purpose could be served by inviting him along to the Brennan household is hard to discern.

For some reason I had it in my mind that he was 34 and not 44.

Why should we question his eyesight just because he was 44? My brother is 50 and doesn’t wear glasses. He was farsighted. Oswald was wearing a dark coloured shirt but a light t-shirt. What would have stood out in a darkened window, a dark over shirt or a light t-shirt? Yes, he described him as standing up but that’s entirely understandable. How could he have know the distance between the floor and the bottom of the window. In other buildings a man leaning on the window would have been standing. Brennan couldn’t see his lower half.

Ive never heard that body double story so I can’t comment. The main point is surely that immediately the shots were fired Brennan went straight to an officer and pointed out the 6th floor and gave a reasonable description of Oswald. Psychic, part of a conspiracy or he genuinely saw someone that resembled Oswald in that window. Brennan is a strong witness by anyone’s standards. Perhaps not so much on description became we know witnesses can be mistaken but picking the right window.

[GBinOz]

That is incorrect. The ammo clip dropped out of the Carcano when the last round was fired.

Your post goes beyond deceptive into the area of lying. The presenter at the two minute mark says "once you chamber the last round, the clip is supposed to fall free". At around the 2:50 minute mark he chambers the last round and the clip falls out , as he (and I) said. Do you hope that no one will check your links, or do you just not know the difference between chambering and firing?

[GBinOz]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I have repeatedly posted links.

Here's another one.

What a load of rubbish masquerading as forensics. To their credit they had the entry wound in Kennedy in the back, not the neck. But it can be clearly seen the the exit wound doesn't exit his throat, although they carefully avoided showing that exit, so the test becomes nonsense from there onwards. Their bullet hit two ribs and did not have the energy to smash the wrist, and this is why it was deformed??, while the magic bullet smashed one rib and the wrist and was almost pristine. The reason why the bullet that actually hit Connally smashed his wrist was that it hadn't shed energy passing through Kennedy. This is the type of video that is designed to "look" knowledgeable but which is actually deceptive in its conclusions and would persuade only those completely devoid of firearms experience.