JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

You are correct. It may have been a spontaneous reaction by Oswald to enter the cinema.

But I would still have to ask where LHO was headed after he left his rooming house just after 1pm. I don't think he was going to buy shoes at Brewsters.

[scottnapa]

Dr Burkley, JFK's Dr who signed his death certificate
contacted HSCA and offered to show proof or conspiracy
HSCA did not meet with him

[GBinOz]

You can find Knott Laboratory here.

Looking at their Comparison of Bullet Trajectories photo, and comparing it to the Zapruder film, we can see that KL has Connally facing nearly directly forward, but the Zapruder film shows Connally was turned sharoly to his right.

So either Knott Laboratory is incompetent or they are being deliberately deceptive.

The single bullet theory does require Connally to be turned to the right, and he does do so, but after Kennedy has been shot.



As Kennedy emerges from behind the sign he is showing signs of having been shot. Connally's head is turned to the right but his body is facing nearly directly forward.

The Zapruder film shows exactly what Connally said happened. He heard the shot and turned to the right to try to see Kennedy. When he completed his right turn he was showing no sign of physical distress. He said that he was turning back to the left when a shot hit him. This is shown on the Zapruder film, that shot occurring just before (about frame 295, or 0.7 seconds) the Kennedy head shot.



A review of the HSCA audio expert's review shows there is 4.8 seconds between shots #3 and #4 just like the Zapruder film shows there was 4.8 seconds between shots at Z fame 224 and Zapruder frame 313.

[GBinOz]

Oswald claimed that the bag contained curtain rods. Frazier believed the bag was large enough to carry curtain rods, so clearly this was not just a lunch sack. Oswald did not need curtain rods, his apartment already had them. Oswald did not take the bag with him when he left the Book Depository. No curtain rods were found at the Book Depository. A paper bag large enough to hold the disassembled rifle was found in the sniper's nest. The bag had Oswald's finger and palm prints in positions that matched the way Frazier and Randle saw Oswald carrying the bag of "curtain rods".

What the witnesses actually said:

Mr Ball : What was he [Oswald] carrying?
Mrs Randle : He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.
Mr Ball : Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs Randle : That is right.
Mr Ball : And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
Mrs Randle : No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.
Mr Ball : And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs Randle : Yes, sir.

(Warren Commission Hearings, vol.2, p.248)

Mr Ball : When you saw him get out of the car, when you first saw him when he was out of the car before he started to walk, you noticed he had the package under the arm?
Mr Frazier : Yes, sir.
Mr Ball : One end of it was under the armpit and the other he had to fold it in his right hand. Did the package extend beyond the right hand?
Mr Frazier : No, sir. Like I say if you put it under your armpits and put it down normal to the side.
Mr Ball : But the right hand on, was it on the end or the side of the package?
Mr Frazier : No; he had it cupped in his hand.
Mr Ball : Cupped in his hand?
Mr Frazier : Right.

No estimated measurement, visual descriptions.

Warren Commission Report Page 81:
The rifle is 40.2 inches long and weighs 8 pounds. The minimum length broken down is 34.8 inches, the length of the wooden stock

Take the test yourself. Take a tape measure and set it to 34.8 inches. Now try to hold it vertically in your right hand and see if it if the end is "almost touching the ground", remembering that LHO was 5' 8". Next, cup one end in your right hand and see if you can fit the other end under your armpit.

[scottnapa]

[QUOTE=Fiver;n849319]




* Tague thought he was struck by the second bullet. I disagree. You think he's right.
* Tague thought there were three shots. I agree. You think he's wrong.
* Tague thought all shots came from the Book Depository. I agree. You think he's wrong.


Tauge was the third victim in Dealy Plaza. The only one alive at the 50th anniversay in Dallas. The City officials refused to invite Tauge, told him he was not welcome becasue he has come to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy. Every day citizens of Dallas believe in a conspiracy becasue the Ruby knew the police and the let him have access.

[FISHY1118]

The single bullet theory does require Connally to be turned to the right, and he does do so, but after Kennedy has been shot.



As Kennedy emerges from behind the sign he is showing signs of having been shot. Connally's head is turned to the right but his body is facing nearly directly forward.

The Zapruder film shows exactly what Connally said happened. He heard the shot and turned to the right to try to see Kennedy. When he completed his right turn he was showing no sign of physical distress. He said that he was turning back to the left when a shot hit him. This is shown on the Zapruder film, that shot occurring just before (about frame 295, or 0.7 seconds) the Kennedy head shot.



A review of the HSCA audio expert's review shows there is 4.8 seconds between shots #3 and #4 just like the Zapruder film shows there was 4.8 seconds between shots at Z fame 224 and Zapruder frame 313.

No matter how hard they try, the ''Why would he'' ''Why wouldnt he'',''Why didnt he gang'' just cant accept the ''proof'' that in fact Connally was right . He was hit by a Separate bullet that hit Kennedy in the back and throat , the magic bullet theory is a crock of shite . The Sad thing is George they know it but just cant accept the fact their wrong .

[FISHY1118]

[QUOTE=scottnapa;n849397]

* Tague thought he was struck by the second bullet. I disagree. You think he's right.
* Tague thought there were three shots. I agree. You think he's wrong.
* Tague thought all shots came from the Book Depository. I agree. You think he's wrong.


Tauge was the third victim in Dealy Plaza. The only one alive at the 50th anniversay in Dallas. The City officials refused to invite Tauge, told him he was not welcome becasue he has come to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy. Every day citizens of Dallas believe in a conspiracy becasue the Ruby knew the police and the let him have access.

James Tague and John Connally more than anyone else Totally blow out of the water the 3 bullet Lone guman Warren Commission coverup .

That lie has now been shown up for the garbage that it was . Shame on them .

[FISHY1118]

That's a rather ironic statement for you to make.

* Connally thought the first bullet hit JFK. I disagree. You think he's right.
* Connally thought there were three shots. I agree. You think he's wrong.
* Connally thought all shots came from the Book Depository. I agree. You think he's wrong.
* Connally thought Oswald fired all three shots. I agree. You think he's wrong.
* Connally thought there was no Conspiracy. I agree. You think he's wrong.

* Tague thought he was struck by the second bullet. I disagree. You think he's right.
* Tague thought there were three shots. I agree. You think he's wrong.
* Tague thought all shots came from the Book Depository. I agree. You think he's wrong.

I disagree with the witnesses on 2 points. You disagree with the witnesses on 6 points.

I think we've established who is relying on the witnesses being completely wrong.

''Connally thought there were three shots. I agree. You think he's wrong.''


Not so, i said yes to connally saying thought 3 shots came from behind tsbd ,its the 4th shot he didnt hear, as it was almost simultaniously fired as the 3rd . This is backed up by dozens of other witnesses.


''Tague thought he was struck by the second bullet. I disagree. You think he's right.''


Not so , I said Tague was wounded as a result of the 2nd bullet that struck the curve .



''Tague thought there were three shots. I agree. You think he's wrong.''


See first point on connally.







'Tague thought he was struck by the second bullet. I disagree. You think he's right.''


Which Bullet 1 ,2 , or 3 was responsible for James Tagues wound ? let see if we can get a straight answer for a change.

[FISHY1118]

That is incorrect.

2% of the witnesses heard 1 shot.
12% of the witnesses heard 2 shots.
80% of the witnesses heard 3 shots.
5% of the witnesses heard 4 or more shots.

A more detailed tabulation on number of shots shows that out of 178 witnesses:
* 6 thought there were 4 shots.
* 1 thought there were 4 or 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 6 shots.
* 1 thought there were 8 shots.

That's not even a dozen, let alone dozens that thought they heard 4 or more shots.

What about the ones who claimed the 3rd and 4th were almost at the same time that werent asked or allowed to give evidence to the W.C

[Fiver]

The single bullet theory does require Connally to be turned to the right, and he does do so, but after Kennedy has been shot.

You're looking at the wrong Zapruder frame.

Here's frame 222. Note how Jackie has turned to look at her husband and how Connally is turned sharply to his right, as he said he did when he heard the first shot. It's not just Connaly's head, it's his whole body.




Here's the same scene from a different angle, the Altgen's photo. JFK's hands are at his throat, elbows raised. Jackie has grabbed JFK's left arm, trying to pull it down. Connaly has turned so far to the right his torso is almost pointed sideways, something Connally only did after hearing the first shot.



At the time of the throat strike to JFK, Connally is in the position where the single bullet passing through JFK could have caused the wounds to Connaly as well.

[Fiver]

A review of the HSCA audio expert's review shows there is 4.8 seconds between shots #3 and #4 just like the Zapruder film shows there was 4.8 seconds between shots at Z fame 224 and Zapruder frame 313.

The HSCA audio was debunked in 1979.

[Fiver]

Tauge was the third victim in Dealy Plaza. The only one alive at the 50th anniversay in Dallas. The City officials refused to invite Tauge, told him he was not welcome becasue he has come to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy.

That seems unlikely.

Here's an article from 1 day before the 50th anniversary of the shooting, with pictures and an interview with James Tague in Dealey Plaza.

Here's a video interview with Tague that same day, 21 November, 2013 in Dealey Plaza.

And here's yet another interview with Tague broadcast on the 50th anniversary.

[Fiver]

What about the ones who claimed the 3rd and 4th were almost at the same time that werent asked or allowed to give evidence to the W.C

Feel free to list who these witnesses were that "claimed the 3rd and 4th were almost at the same time" and weren't allowed to testify.

[GBinOz]

You're looking at the wrong Zapruder frame.

Here's frame 222. Note how Jackie has turned to look at her husband and how Connally is turned sharply to his right, as he said he did when he heard the first shot. It's not just Connaly's head, it's his whole body.




Here's the same scene from a different angle, the Altgen's photo. JFK's hands are at his throat, elbows raised. Jackie has grabbed JFK's left arm, trying to pull it down. Connaly has turned so far to the right his torso is almost pointed sideways, something Connally only did after hearing the first shot.



At the time of the throat strike to JFK, Connally is in the position where the single bullet passing through JFK could have caused the wounds to Connaly as well.

Difference between F222 and F225 is about 1/10 of a second. Mighty quick turn if it were so, but it isn't, as he is still facing forward. The time that Kennedy was hit is not in dispute, so what has Jackie looking at Jack got to do with when Connally was hit? If Connally was turning after he heard the first shot he could not have been hit by that shot (Bullet muzzle velocity 2300fps, speed of sound 1100fps) unless....ahh...a magic bullet.
Why are you proffering, as corroboration, the Altgens photo, which was at Z255, about a second after JFK was hit...oh yes... I forgot...the magic bullet hanging in mid air while Connally turned to place himself in a position to line up to intercept it. This is exactly the sort of nonsense used to prop up this ridiculous theory. The Zapruder film shows definitively that Connally was suffering NO distress from a wound until long after the first Kennedy wound had taken place. Or are you claiming a debunking of the Zapruder film along with the corroborating HSCA Audio.

[FISHY1118]

Dr Pierre Finck: Dissecting JFK’s Back and Throat Wounds

Problems with President Kennedy’s Autopsy


The assassination of President Kennedy remains a mystery partly because the nature of his wounds remains a mystery. This in turn is due largely to problems with the president’s autopsy, which took place at Bethesda Naval Hospital Center, a military teaching institution near Washington:

• The autopsy was carried out by three pathologists, all of them middle–ranking military officers whose only practical experience of forensic autopsies was a one–week course taken by one of the pathologists ten years earlier.
• The room in which they worked was crowded with a variety of non–medical onlookers, several of whom were giving orders to the pathologists.
• The written records from the autopsy are incomplete, and perhaps corrupt. The original autopsy report was deliberately destroyed by Dr James Humes, the senior pathologist, after the murder of Lee Oswald. The rewritten autopsy report includes measurements and other data that do not exist in the pathologists’ surviving notes and diagrams.
• The photographic record is incomplete. The pathologists and photographers recalled ordering and taking photographs which appear no longer to exist.

Pierre Finck’s Testimony in New Orleans


Although all three pathologists testified under oath before several official inquiries, there was only one occasion on which any of their testimony was seriously questioned. In the criminal trial of Clay Shaw in New Orleans in 1969, one of the pathologists, Dr Pierre Finck, was cross–examined by an assistant district attorney, Alvin Oser. His testimony, part of which is reproduced below, is remarkable for two reasons:

• He states that senior military officers had taken an active part in proceedings, and he implies that they were in charge of the autopsy.
• He admits, after trying hard to avoid the question, that the pathologists were forbidden to dissect the president’s back and throat wounds and the connecting tissue.

JFK’s Back and Throat Wounds


Dissecting the wounds was a basic procedure, and would almost certainly have determined whether the president’s non–fatal injuries had been caused by one or more bullets, and from which direction or directions the bullet or bullets had come.

The autopsy took place several hours after President Kennedy’s assassination and Lee Oswald’s arrest. It was widely known at the time of the autopsy that Oswald had been inside the Texas School Book Depository, almost directly behind the president, during the shooting. The broadcast media had already reported the claims of eye–witnesses that shots had come from more than one direction, as well as a press conference at Parkland Hospital, during which one of the doctors who had treated the president claimed that the throat wound had been caused by a shot from the front.

Those in charge of the autopsy would surely have been aware that President Kennedy’s wounds may have been caused by more than one gunman, and that dissecting the wounds was likely to resolve the question one way or the other. Their refusal to allow the dissection can only reasonably be interpreted as a fear of discovering definitive evidence of conspiracy.