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  • Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

    The final report said: "A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of his spine."

    There is plenty of evidence as to where that wound was located, including eyewitness evidence and the official autopsy diagrams.

    Where is the evidence that that bullet entered the base of the back of Kennedy's neck?

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    • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


      There is plenty of evidence as to where that wound was located, including eyewitness evidence and the official autopsy diagrams.

      Where is the evidence that that bullet entered the base of the back of Kennedy's neck?
      There is no evidence that bullet entered the base of the back of Kennedy's neck. The actual evidence was adjusted to accommodate the single bullet theory.

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      • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post

        I am glad you mentioned the laws of physics because I would like to know how a bullet entering a person's upper back, about six inches below the neckline, at a downwards angle, could then go on to exit the front of his throat.
        No one is claiming that is what happened. Please stop misrepresenting the position of people who disagree with you.
        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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        • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

          No one is claiming that is what happened. Please stop misrepresenting the position of people who disagree with you.

          I am quite sure that I did not misrepresent anything.

          I refer you to the question I posed in # 2656:


          Where is the evidence that that bullet entered the base of the back of Kennedy's neck?​

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          • JFK revisited, "Through the looking glass"

            You might like this one George, for me it puts an end to any doubt what we known all along. That LHO did not kill Kennedy and that he was shot from the front.
            'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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            • ‘Two shooters’: Bombshell insights into JFK files revealed

              The head of a new congressional task force aimed at exposing “federal secrets” has revealed she believes “two shooters” were involved in the assassination of...


              ...here we go and they are off.

              (Can't wait for the 9/11 investigation... dear me.)

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              • My prediction: when the remaining files are released, the only new information in them will be about previously redacted sources. (And updates after 60 years- what's changed and what happened to Mr. X or Miss Y.) Frankly, after all this time and the PREVIOUS releases, that's all that's left that WOULD still be classified.

                Frankly, IMO, the biggest mysteries remaining are Oswald's real motivation and just WHO actually paid Ray?
                Last edited by C. F. Leon; Today, 10:07 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post
                  ‘Two shooters’: Bombshell insights into JFK files revealed

                  The head of a new congressional task force aimed at exposing “federal secrets” has revealed she believes “two shooters” were involved in the assassination of...


                  ...here we go and they are off.

                  (Can't wait for the 9/11 investigation... dear me.)
                  Not really ,its a done deal . 2662 post all the facts are there.
                  'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                  • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                    Not really ,its a done deal . 2662 post all the facts are there.
                    I'm not going back and reading 178 pages, well not today. What is the consensus here? Lone shooter or conspiracy?

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                    • Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post

                      I'm not going back and reading 178 pages, well not today. What is the consensus here? Lone shooter or conspiracy?
                      If Oswald was a patsy, he'd have been found dead next to the rifle with a "self-inflicted" gunshot wound.

                      The Grassy Knoll is a terrible shooting spot - poor bracing, lots of obstacles, lots of laterl motion.

                      Jackie Kennedy chose where the autopsy was performed.

                      Every version of a conspiracy requires nigh-infinite resources combined with utter stupidity.
                      "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                      "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                      • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                        If Oswald was a patsy, he'd have been found dead next to the rifle with a "self-inflicted" gunshot wound.

                        The Grassy Knoll is a terrible shooting spot - poor bracing, lots of obstacles, lots of lateral motion.

                        Jackie Kennedy chose where the autopsy was performed.

                        Every version of a conspiracy requires nigh-infinite resources combined with utter stupidity.
                        Surely Oswald could not have got the shots off in time. Why did he not shoot when he was heading towards him? What about the magic bullet? I love a good conspiracy theory like the next man but surely for Oswald to have acted alone is pushing the boundaries of possibility, or have I missed the obvious somewhere?

                        (I've just checked Cross died in 1920 and this was in 1962 so this one can't be pinned on him by Holmgren, well maybe not yet.. )

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                        • There's no way LHO got off 3 shots like that.

                          LHO was possibly paid to take shots as a diversionary tactic to switch focus to the opposite direction.

                          The kill shot was taken from the south, from an elevated position close to the road bridge; where the president's car sped towards after the final shot.

                          The kill shot was most certainly a professional hit to ensure there was no way Kennedy could escape.

                          It's important to understand that when a sniper focuses on a high profile target who is in transit, it's important to ensure they position themselves in a location that the target is heading towards, and not moving away from.

                          However, whilst this ensures better accuracy, it also exposes the sniper to any observers near or at the targets location.

                          It was therefore essential to use LHO as a decoy, so that the secret service agents would in the main be drawn to the north.

                          There was a small window of opportunity for the sniper to take their kill shot; certainly no more than 5 seconds at the very most.

                          There is also a scenario whereby the sniper hit the windscreen with his 1st shot, and then had just a few seconds to take the kill shot; the bullet passing at an angle just past the driver's right side. The bullet missing Mrs Kennedy by inches.

                          LHO was then dispatched accordingly.

                          That's not to say it was an in-house operation, but certainly someone got paid to carry out a professional hit.

                          There would also almost certainly have been an individual in the crowd who acted as insurance, but wasn't needed.

                          Anyone who had a "camera" and who stood close to the car as it passed, and was never identified...is likely the person who was the back up choice if the sniper at the Southern location failed.

                          The reason why the South works, is because the sniper had a near perfect view of the front and left hand side of the president's vehicle as it moved toward him.

                          The sniper couldn't allow the car to get too close however, because that would certainly have exposed his position near the bridge.

                          Fascinating case indeed.
                          Last edited by The Rookie Detective; Today, 03:41 PM.
                          "Great minds, don't think alike"

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                          • Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post

                            I'm not going back and reading 178 pages, well not today. What is the consensus here? Lone shooter or conspiracy?
                            hi geddy
                            i lean pretty heavily to oswald shot him working alone, but i dont rule out two shooters. the kill shot looks like it came from the front. ive talked to many expert shooters, including my brother and they all say head shots 99 out of a hundred the head moves in the direction of the bullet strike, ie kennedys head went violently back, meaning he was shot from the front.

                            and if it was two shooters it dosnt necessarily mean it was some big gov conspiracy. it could have just been lho and maybe a mob shooter or an ex cuban patriot who was pissed jfk jacked up the bay of pigs invasion. alot of people were mad at jfk.

                            who knows but prob just lho, and he got extremely lucky.
                            "Is all that we see or seem
                            but a dream within a dream?"

                            -Edgar Allan Poe


                            "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                            quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                            -Frederick G. Abberline

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                            • If Oswald was a patsy, he'd have been found dead next to the rifle with a "self-inflicted" gunshot wound.
                              That might have been the plan, however you would need to have Oswald on the same floor as the rifle for it to work. LHO, in what fragments of his police statement have emerged, made a strong case for his being in the lunch room at around 12.20. So if he was still there at 12.30 you could hardly walk in and dispatch him.

                              Even then there are serious problems. Faking a suicide shot via rifle is not so easy. And using the logic of Shakespeare's Macbeth: if killing a national leader looks suspicious when it happens under the protection of his successor, then that applies x2 when the alleged assassin is killed in the immediate aftermath.

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                              • Originally posted by cobalt View Post

                                That might have been the plan, however you would need to have Oswald on the same floor as the rifle for it to work. LHO, in what fragments of his police statement have emerged, made a strong case for his being in the lunch room at around 12.20. So if he was still there at 12.30 you could hardly walk in and dispatch him.

                                Even then there are serious problems. Faking a suicide shot via rifle is not so easy. And using the logic of Shakespeare's Macbeth: if killing a national leader looks suspicious when it happens under the protection of his successor, then that applies x2 when the alleged assassin is killed in the immediate aftermath.
                                yeah the whole thing with ruby dosnt make much sense. the mob was pissed because jfk and rfk were going after them and jfk was having an affair with a mob bosses mistress. and yet ruby said his motive for killing lho was because he was mad he killed the president, who was rubys hero!?! what?
                                "Is all that we see or seem
                                but a dream within a dream?"

                                -Edgar Allan Poe


                                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                                -Frederick G. Abberline

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