Do you think William Herbert Wallace was guilty?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Repeating DISINFORMATION and LOGICAL FALLACIES [all the trolls have] doesn't count for anything in the real world, whatever their delusions.

"...I went out by the back door and up the passage to Richmond Park and then up to Breck Road and got the tram at Belmont Road"
- statement of WH Wallace, 29th January 1931

Just buy the book, folks...
It's a great book...[I should know ]
And to no surprise, it's guaranteed troll and stalker-free :

“How did you go there, by what method ? I do not want
the whole route, but did you walk or go by tram, or how ?
— I walked up Richmond Park, turned the corner by the
Church and up Belmont Road, and there caught a
tram. “

In court, under oath, on trial for his life!

According to the map (unless they were created by leftist conspiracy theorists to persecute St. William) the tram was in Breck Road before you reach Belmont Road. I don’t care that you say about what they would have called it unless , amongst your many talents you are also a Time Lord who has travelled back to 1930’s Anfield to conduct conversations with the locals about the naming of tram stops

UP BELMONT AND THERE CAUGHT A TRAM. (There being Belmont Road....the road that he’d just gone up.

The tram stop at the junction of West Derby (according to the Communist-infiltrated map of course) is actually in Belmont Road.

In both his police statement and his trial testimony St.William says that he caught the tram in Belmont Road. Of the two that we’re discussing only one was actually in Belmont Road. And it’s not the one that you favour.

If you stopped wasting your time drivelling on about trolls (of which you are the only example on this forum) and learned to read and understand English you might be able to keep up.

If you need a supply of paper for your forthcoming book here’s a gift from me and AS

[AmericanSherlock]

Can I have a "friends and family" discount on the hard cover?



Don't wanna pay too much for an imaginary book

And in the event it was a real book it would be used in lieu of toilet paper

[RodCrosby]

Patience, dear boy.

Patience... [It's at the printers ]

[AmericanSherlock]

I want to buy the book. What is the name of it? Can I pre order it?

[RodCrosby]

Repeating DISINFORMATION and LOGICAL FALLACIES [all the trolls have] doesn't count for anything in the real world, whatever their delusions.

"...I went out by the back door and up the passage to Richmond Park and then up to Breck Road and got the tram at Belmont Road"
- statement of WH Wallace, 29th January 1931

Just buy the book, folks...
It's a great book...[I should know ]
And to no surprise, it's guaranteed troll and stalker-free

[Herlock Sholmes]

"Buy the book, folks!"

What is the title?

"I don't know."

Who is the author?

"I don't know."

When is the release date?

"I don't know."

“Name the people of substance that agree with the theory.”

“No it’s a secret!”

[Herlock Sholmes]

That’s the first useful post Rod has ever made!

Thank you.

By his childish and transparent avoidance of answering the question we can all see that the answer to my question is.....yes, the tram from the junction of Belmont and West Derby would have taken Wallace to the club.

And so we have Wallace, in the trial transcript, saying that he went ‘up’ Belmont and not to the junction of Brock and Belmont.

In the English language ‘up’ means along when talking about a road. So Wallace was saying that he went along Belmont Road to his tram. This word has obviously been ignored by authors (whether unintentionally or intentionally)

Rod claimed that this was impossible because no tram in Belmont Road could get Wallace to the club. Unsurprisingly we now know that that wasn’t true. He could have caught the tram at the Belmont/West Derby junction (the same stop that Wallace and Caird alighted from on their return from the club that night.)

And so we have Wallace going to a tram stop, by going in the opposite direction, as opposed to the much shorter route (the route that he took when returning with Caird) that was 3 times further away (as I’d previously stated despite Rod’s mocking) the stop near to the phonebox!

Conclusion:

Wallace would have been an idiot to go to a stop 3 times further away. Especially as he was heading for a club where the games were supposed to start at 7.45. Added to that he walks straight past the stop at the Breck/Belmont junction. Therefore Wallace was simply lying; putting himself nowhere near the phonebox when, in actual fact, that’s where he was. At exactly the time that he’d have gotten there if he left the house when he said that he did.

Thanks Rod

[AmericanSherlock]

"Buy the book, folks!"

What is the title?

"I don't know."

Who is the author?

"I don't know."

When is the release date?

"I don't know."

[RodCrosby]

No more feeding the trolls by me. They can discuss their fantasy alternative universe case until they go dizzy.

Just buy the forthcoming book on the real case, folks.

[AmericanSherlock]

So, to clarify, are you saying that the stop on the corner of West Derby Road (the one that Wallace and Caird alighted at on their way back from chess club on the Monday) couldn’t have taken Wallace directly or indirectly to the chess club?

So frustrating to have speak to someone who converses in riddles isn't it

[Herlock Sholmes]

From the Liverpool Corporation Tramways Official Handbook 1904 [the routes were substantially the same in 1931, except they had been extended into the outer suburbs]

The Red highlighted section is Belmont Road, which as I said was no use for anyone heading for the city centre[Pierhead].

Wallace got the Cabbage Hall route to the Chess Club from the corner of Belmont Rd [which would be described as "at Belmont Rd"] and returned with Caird via the Green Lane/West Derby route getting off at the opposite end of Belmont Rd [again described as "at Belmont Road"]

On the Tuesday night he actually did get on a cross-city tram IN Belmont Road [at the corner of West Derby Road] which carried him to change to another radial route at Smithdown Road, and on to Mossley Hill and Menlove Gardens [not shown on this early map, but roughly where the "u" in "Wavertree Terminus." is].

So, to clarify, are you saying that the stop on the corner of West Derby Road (the one that Wallace and Caird alighted at on their way back from chess club on the Monday) couldn’t have taken Wallace directly or indirectly to the chess club?

[RodCrosby]

From the Liverpool Corporation Tramways Official Handbook 1904 [the routes were substantially the same in 1931, except they had been extended into the outer suburbs]

The Red highlighted section is Belmont Road, which as I said was no use for anyone heading for the city centre[Pierhead].

Wallace got the Cabbage Hall route to the Chess Club from the corner of Belmont Rd [which would be described as "at Belmont Rd"] and returned with Caird via the Green Lane/West Derby route getting off at the opposite end of Belmont Rd [again described as "at Belmont Road"]

On the Tuesday night he actually did get on a cross-city tram IN Belmont Road [at the corner of West Derby Road] which carried him to change to another radial route at Smithdown Road, and on to Mossley Hill and Menlove Gardens [not shown on this early map, but roughly where the "u" in "Wavertree Terminus." is].

[Herlock Sholmes]

The rapture is coming very soon folks! To bookstores near you. No dates or names yet. But trust me ! Blind faith!

He never fails to amaze.

The ego has tried to land but I think he needs a few more lessons

[AmericanSherlock]

The rapture is coming very soon folks! To bookstores near you. No dates or names yet. But trust me ! Blind faith!

[Herlock Sholmes]

Ok, so I took a map that’s been printed in more than one book to be accurate!

It points to a tram stop in Belmont Road just before you get to West Derby Road.
Whatever you wish to call it, it could still have been the one that Wallace headed for when he went ‘up’ Belmont Road.

And I have to ask. Why is it’s exact location (to a matter of yards) so important when the same criteria isn’t applied to the one on the corner of Breck and Belmont? The map shows that it was in Breck just before you reached Belmont. And yet it’s still described as ‘on the corner of Breck and Belmont.’ You can’t say it’s ok for one stop to be described slightly in the wrong place and not the other.