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  • #16
    Hi Norma/Natalie,
    Coincidentally, I'm one of the people who firmly agree that Tom is a Ripperologist who can very competently "write" – and I happen to like his style, which is both concise and lively. I understand that the editing he benefits from in the mags concerns mostly orthography and typos (which, if rare, as in his case, is not the end of the world to me). The editorial assistance I had in mind pertained to his (again: not very often) sometimes using the “wrong“ word. I recall, for instance his once using “hypothesis“ instead of “conjencture“, as in “All this is hypothesis, I'm afraid“, where he should have said “All this is conjecture, I'm afraid“. Again, not the end of the world, but that's where an editor (or a second proofreader) comes very handy. And that's precisely what I meant when commenting on the fact that editing is less work than writing a text from scatch per se, and I'm regularly enganging in both, professionally. This is obviously the fact only for people sensitized enough to the writing word to be able to accomplish editing work.
    What I find sweet is that Tom managed to offend someone on his first day of returning to the boards. Congrats, Tom, and keep up the good (offensive) work.
    Best regards,
    Maria

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    • #17
      Hi Nats! Very kind words that mean much coming from the Queen of Cockney slang! I'm always envious of your endless knowledge of slang and turns of phrase. We Yanks are far too literal in our writing.

      Yours truly,

      Tom Wescott

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      • #18
        Hello Maria,

        Wouldn't it be the 'written word' not the 'writing word'. Only kidding, I don't have much room to talk.
        Washington Irving:

        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

        Stratford-on-Avon

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        • #19
          Maria,
          No problem.
          Cheers,
          Norma

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          • #20
            Corey123 wrote:
            Wouldn't it be the 'written word' not the 'writing word'.

            Absolutely, Corey, I never claimed I'm not in need of an editor and proofreader myself, quite the opposite. And by the by, it's always easier to edit someone else's text that one's own. Probably due to the fact that our own texts, especially when recently written, are so deep embedded in our memory, that we either don't really read them, or become dyslexic.
            Best regards,
            Maria

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            • #21
              Hello Maria,

              I was kidding, but yes, I would argue that it would be the fact that we write things the way we want them seen, and we aren't always ready for those to change to the point of veiw of others. We want out work, not others, that might be why it is hard to edit your own paper. By the by, I am currently both writing a book(not ripper related) and two magazine articles(ripper related) and for the book, I have to self edit at this point, and this consists of writing what I think looks good
              Washington Irving:

              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

              Stratford-on-Avon

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              • #22
                Based on the posts above, outsiders might understandably believe that we have difficulty staying on topic. Anyway, I've finished 117 now and found it informative, well-written, and entertaining. Congrats to all concerned with its production.

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                • #23
                  I agree, and again congrats to Gareth, and apologies for mixing your name up.
                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                  • #24
                    Tom Wescott wrote:
                    Hi Maria. You're not already a Rip subscriber? You want to get a copy to - of all things - read a Phil Carter review? Actually, I think it's great that Sam is on board with Rip. It can only improve the magazine, and since I pay for my copies, that's a good thing.

                    Sorry for the delayed response Tom (which you might be able or not to read tomorrow), but, as you've perhaps noticed, I've been busy answering you in another thread.
                    I will subscribe to Ripperologist soon. (Before Xmas). I have a few back issues (including the Gavin Bromley Kürr article), and I haven't even managed to read those. Obviously I wasn't literaly expressing interest in subscribing to Ripperologist simply for the Phil Carter review (hi, Phil, I hope you're fine), but referring to Gareth Williams' capabilities, whom I experienced live in the recent Whitechapel conference, and he made the best impression.

                    Tom Wescott wrote:
                    And personally I find editing harder than writing.
                    I only meant that just because someone is a great researcher and a good writer doesn't mean he'd make a good editor. Take it from me that not all editors are created equal.

                    For me it's the opposite. I'm reasonably good in both writing and editing (actually, I'm better than just “good“), but I'm also lazy, and editing a done text is much less work that writing it from scratch. Incidentally, I speak from very direct experience, as I'm expected to produce a 15 pages paper later tonight for a German conference taking place in 3 days, and so far haven't written a line yet. (I'll use bits and pieces from my dissertation, so no sweat. The irony is, I have perfect text I could use for this, from 2 other papers/articles, but they're both in English, and it's a JOB to translate from English to German. Writing from scratch in German is quicker than translating. Darn conference... As you'll notice that, besides being lazy, I'm also shamefully ungrateful...)
                    And I've dealt with a few editors in my professional life to be able to deeply, deeply appreciate a good and capable one.

                    Tom Wescott wrote:
                    And seriously, you're never supposed to submit the same article to two journals. That's the biggest no-no in periodical publication.

                    What on earth are you talking about, Tom? I'm about to submit a lengthy article for publication on 3 different American musicological publications. Obviously, none of them antagonizing each other, as far as I know (and I'll research this before submitting).
                    Best regards,
                    Maria

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                    • #25
                      Hi Corey, the best of lucks with your writing, both for your future Examiner pieces and your – bachelor thesis/Master's thesis?
                      Corey wrote:
                      and we aren't always ready for those to change to the point of veiw of others.

                      Corey, an editor would NEVER change the point of view of an author, such things are not done. (Although it's true that editors can apply pressure on authors, see the Patricia Cornwell cover “case closed“ for further reference.)
                      Self-editing is fine, but even the best text can benefit from a second (astute) proofreader. Obviously the ideal situation is when the editor has to deal with nothing worse than the occasional typo and better sentence structure, when the text in question is really good. Otherwise it can be very unpleasant, hard work for an editor, from having to correct constant typos to busting your a*s correcting the author's grammar and structure sentence, to practically writing the text yourself, as an editor. You'd be surprised how often it happens, and although it appears like the author would get the credit, the colleagues in question will always be wise enough to figure it out, especially if they're familiar with both the author and the editor.
                      Yes, there is meritocracy in scholarship.
                      Best regards,
                      Maria

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                      • #26
                        Hello Maria,

                        Indeed, I was aiming however, at the wording. Titles, ect. Take the Facts by Paul Begg, they changed the title, with his consent of course, but he didn't want it changed. I think it was previously the uncensored facts. Or something along those lines.

                        Bachelors/Masters thesis? Not quite there yet, .

                        Just saying keep an eye out for Ripperologist 118 You never know who might pop in it.
                        Washington Irving:

                        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                        Stratford-on-Avon

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                        • #27
                          Hi Corey,
                          I happen to believe that the “Uncensored“ facts is an unfortunate title.
                          How come you're writing a book then, if not as a thesis? Is it a criminal novel or something like that?
                          Good luck with starting college soon, and getting to a bachelor degree, and later maybe to a Master's. It happens faster that you'd think.
                          I hope to have managed to subscribe to Ripperologist before issue 118 comes out, so I can read your contribution.
                          Best regards,
                          Maria

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                          • #28
                            Hello Maria,

                            Actually its a fiction book. I wrote two journals full a 'book' three years ago. I admit, it is crappy compared to my current projects(technically I am currently writing three ripper pieces) and I am re-writing it and using those two journals full as an outline, a wounderful story, worth writing. Probally the only fiction I will ever write, currently I have no interest in writing fiction but I hold the philosophy, there is no point in writing something for only your eyes to see.

                            Anyways, that the end of my hijacking Maurices thread. My apologies.
                            Washington Irving:

                            "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                            Stratford-on-Avon

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                            • #29
                              Corey,
                              good luck for publishing your fiction one day, and I'm willing to bet it's a crime novel.
                              As for the highjacking (pertaining to which I'm afraid I'm one of the worst offenders here on casebook), I can't really condemn it, as it so often has brought us to interesting and exciting places and to fascinating discussions.(Obviously I'm not referring to my own highjackings here!)
                              With many apologies to Maurice, and I'm exiting this thread for the time being. (Not yet to write my paper on deadline, but to visit another thread. Yes, the night is young, and procrastination's my middle name...)
                              Best regards,
                              Maria

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mariab
                                Tom Wescott wrote:
                                And seriously, you're never supposed to submit the same article to two journals. That's the biggest no-no in periodical publication.
                                What on earth are you talking about, Tom? I'm about to submit a lengthy article for publication on 3 different American musicological publications. Obviously, none of them antagonizing each other, as far as I know (and I'll research this before submitting).
                                As a writer, you never want to submit the same piece to different editors, and I would think the reasons would be obvious. Competing journals do not like to publish the same material and would not knowingly do so. There's also the matter of copyright infringement, which you would be liable for, particularly if you were paid for the work. In the event your intention is to see who bites and pick the best one, you'd end up burning bridges with the editor who went to the trouble to read your submission and reply, only to be told his journal is not your first choice. In short, there is never a happy ending when submitting the same piece to different journals.

                                Regarding why I prefer writing to editing - and keep in mind I turned down editing gigs with both Ripper Notes and Ripperologist - I find writing more of a pleasure, and something I'm only answerable to myself for. I can pick when I want to write and what I want to write about. With editing, you're assigned articles and writers and you're answerable not only to them, but of course your managing editor, and at least sometimes you'll end up with difficult writers or long essays that are frankly not your cup of tea, yet you must plod through them repeatedly anyway. Good editing takes an awful lot of patience, not to mention a better grasp of the English language than I possess. Having said that, I enjoy fact-checking work and will do so for any writer who asks me.

                                Yours truly,

                                Tom Wescott

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