What makes Patricia Cornwall so special?!?! How come SHE gets all the limelight?!?!

[Dan Norder]

Mac,

Of course it makes a difference for someone looking at documents to see if they came from the same hand to see the originals if they can, but that's not the point here.

You can't make snap decisions about what one person appealing to authority says and then ignore all the other authorities have to say. The only expert who makes the claims Cornwell wants to hear about matching papers is the same person she paid, and the outside experts say he doesn't know what he's talking about and that his claims make no sense. It's not like personally seeing the documents myself is going to change one way or another what other document examiners say about Bower and his bizarre claims... or what experts on Sickert say about Cornwell's shoddy research into his life, or what Ripper experts have to say about her bumbling mistakes about the Ripper crimes.

You can claim that Cornwell admits her mistakes in private, but I don't understand how you can think her acknowledging mistakes but refusing to admit them publicly can at all be considered a point in her favor. If anything that means she is purposefully trying to cover up errors to make herself look better... that coupled with her having bought full page ads in newspapers to try to argue that she wasn't wrong and her history of lashing out at experts in this field shows a rather callous disregard for truth in general. I would hope that you are either wrong about your claims or that Cornwell makes a very open and honest acknowledgment of her mistakes and works to try to earn people's respect instead of just insisting that everyone has to respect her despite her history.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Patricia Cornwell gets the limelight [and residuals] because fools like us waste our time discussing her book.

Let's get over it and move on.

Regards,

Simon

[Jeff Leahy]

Mac,
You can't make snap decisions about what one person appealing to authority says and then ignore all the other authorities have to say. The only expert who makes the claims Cornwell wants to hear about matching papers is the same person she paid, and the outside experts say he doesn't know what he's talking about and that his claims make no sense.

So Dan Norder softens his attack and hopes no one has noticed...He now only claims 'dont know what hes talking about' & 'make no sence'...a far cry from ridicule..yet you all witness him back peddalling and say nothing...

However he still does not name his, supposed experts..as clearly he has none..

The only person who has passed comment is Matthew Sturgis and I have quoted him to you all over and over again...And Sturgis paraphrazes, Hughs, who hardly 'Ridicules' Peter Bower as Norder would have you all believe.

So I ask again, who are these supposed 'paper analysis experts' who have 'ridiculed' Peter Bower?

[Graham]

Hi All,

Patricia Cornwell gets the limelight [and residuals] because fools like us waste our time discussing her book.

Let's get over it and move on.

Regards,

Simon

Simon,

Hear, hear!!!

Well said.

Graham

[needler]

To Debbie......

Hi and welcome, Debbie. If you're a friend of Caz' then we'll get along famously. Regarding your question about Cornwell and her book sales, let me say this and I'll be gone. I have either worked in bookstores or had my own bookselling business for years, and I cannot tell you how many times customers have picked up Cornwell's Ripper rubbish and commented "Oh, I just LOVE her Scarpetta books and I'm so glad she has written another one........" Then they take the book to the register and buy the thing without even realizing that it pretends to be non-fiction. AGAIN, I say there is a reason her Ripper "book" is filed on the fiction shelves with her novels. So what you need to do, Debbie, is get VERY famous for writing formula novels and THEN publish your Ripper book!

Welcome, again, and how was the music hall, Caz??

Cheers,

Judy

[downonwhores]

To Needler

Hi Needler,

I agree with you. Did you know that every bookstore that i have been to in Asia has her book under Fiction. I ask them why and the store clerk at Asia books and kinokuniya bookstores said, " Where else would it be?". HA HA

[caz]

...how was the music hall, Caz??

Brilliant thanks, Judy! You can read about it on the East End Photos thread under the main General Discussion topic.

Hi Debbie,

I must confess I haven't read your book yet. I hope to get around to it though.

That said, I've only read the parts of Cornwell's book that have been quoted publicly. A friend 'treated' me to my copy - 50p from a car boot sale. I couldn't get into it. I think I put it into a WS1888 raffle. At one meeting, a copy (not mine) was won over and over again and kept being put back by the unfortunate winning ticket holders.

In contrast, we can say what we like about Shirley Harrison's efforts, but even the most hardened modern hoax believers brought copies of her book for signing when she gave her recent talk on Sylvia Pankhurst. One who shall remain nameless told me he was expecting a total loony but found her very normal and very nice.

Love,

Caz
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[downonwhores]

Hi Caz

check this out. I got it from cornwell's website on the message board about JTR and sickert. I laughed my ass off.

Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripperby Scott Varland on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:23 am In Portrait of a Killer, Patricia Cornwell establishes several connections between Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripper. I shall establish one more as plain as the nose on Sickert's disguised face.

I shall not argue for Walter Sickert's guilt with regard to the five canonical Jack the Ripper murders. I shall demonstrate that he wrote the first Jack the Ripper letter thereby creating the Jack the Ripper persona.

After Annie Chapman's murder, the second in the sequence of five, the police received the first letter signed Jack the Ripper. The writer taunted them for their ineptness and predicted that they would find more corpses. The police published the letter, hoping that someone would come forward and identify the writer. No one did.

Walter Sickert constantly toyed with his identity by changing his name and appearance. He produced name changes through aliases, variations on his name, and different combinations of his initials. Patricial Cornwell and another author, Matthew Sturgis, disagree on whether Sickert was the Ripper killer. She convicts; he acquits. They do agree on Sickert's change in name and appearance. The second most important instance of a name change is found on page 239 in the paperback edition of Sturgis's Walter Sickert: A Life. Sturgis reproduces one of Sickert's signatures as W*lt*r S*ck*rt. He had removed the vowels. He certainly had the ability to build another name out of these vowels.

While contemplating Sickert's penchant for name changes, I turned over in my mind Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripper. The two names had the same ring. What accounted for this? I did the obvious thing and counted letters. Each name consisted of thirteen, but this numerical equivalence did not come close to explaining the eerie similarity. I had it. If you speak the names, they are rhythmically identical. A poet would observe that each contains four syllables forming two trochees. Was there more? Yes indeed. The same vowels (a, e, i, and e) appear in the same order in Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripper. Each vowel is bracketed by consonants, and all the vowels are short.

If the police catch an individual running out of a stranger's house at 3:00 AM carrying a television, then we have either a string of coincidences or a burglary. Either a string of coincidences are at play with regard to the first Jack the Ripper letter and Walter Sickert, or he wrote and signed it. I vote for the latter.Scott Varland


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HA HA HA

[Jeff Leahy]

check this out. I got it from cornwell's website on the message board about JTR and sickert. I laughed my ass off.

Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripperby Scott Varland on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:23 am In Portrait of a Killer, Patricia Cornwell establishes several connections between Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripper. I shall establish one more as plain as the nose on Sickert's disguised face.

I shall not argue for Walter Sickert's guilt with regard to the five canonical Jack the Ripper murders. I shall demonstrate that he wrote the first Jack the Ripper letter thereby creating the Jack the Ripper persona.

After Annie Chapman's murder, the second in the sequence of five, the police received the first letter signed Jack the Ripper. The writer taunted them for their ineptness and predicted that they would find more corpses. The police published the letter, hoping that someone would come forward and identify the writer. No one did.

Walter Sickert constantly toyed with his identity by changing his name and appearance. He produced name changes through aliases, variations on his name, and different combinations of his initials. Patricial Cornwell and another author, Matthew Sturgis, disagree on whether Sickert was the Ripper killer. She convicts; he acquits. They do agree on Sickert's change in name and appearance. The second most important instance of a name change is found on page 239 in the paperback edition of Sturgis's Walter Sickert: A Life. Sturgis reproduces one of Sickert's signatures as W*lt*r S*ck*rt. He had removed the vowels. He certainly had the ability to build another name out of these vowels.

While contemplating Sickert's penchant for name changes, I turned over in my mind Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripper. The two names had the same ring. What accounted for this? I did the obvious thing and counted letters. Each name consisted of thirteen, but this numerical equivalence did not come close to explaining the eerie similarity. I had it. If you speak the names, they are rhythmically identical. A poet would observe that each contains four syllables forming two trochees. Was there more? Yes indeed. The same vowels (a, e, i, and e) appear in the same order in Walter Sickert and Jack the Ripper. Each vowel is bracketed by consonants, and all the vowels are short.

If the police catch an individual running out of a stranger's house at 3:00 AM carrying a television, then we have either a string of coincidences or a burglary. Either a string of coincidences are at play with regard to the first Jack the Ripper letter and Walter Sickert, or he wrote and signed it. I vote for the latter.Scott Varland


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HA HA HA

Just a quick observation. I dont believe that the name 'Jack the Ripper' appeared on a letter until after the double event. Up until this time the killer had been refered to as 'Leather Apron'. This is of the top of my head so I'll check.

Pirate

[Suzi]

Hi Jeff-
Just checked and the letter of Friday Oct 6 was signed Leather-Apron (with the hyphen).A postcard however was addressed to Charles Warren personally posted on Oct 5 was signed Jack Ripper (minus the THE). The letter that arrived on the 8th although dated 6th Oct and posted in NW London to the Central News Agency was signed Jack THE Ripper closely followed by postacrds/telegrams various,to destinations various.
Also the introduction of John Ripper-The Ripper-Jack the ripper along the way did nothing to clear the waters- Stewart P.Evans and Keith Skinner have of course produced the definitive work on this matter in Jack the Ripper- Letters From Hell ISBN 0-7509-3770-X
Suzi

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Suzi

hope you enjoyed your holiday

In Andy and Sue Palours book (cant find it at present) they claim that Liz Strides priest made an entry using the name Jack the Ripper around 1st October.

So either the name was 'on the Street' before this time or the priest made that entry at a later date..ie back dated the entry.

Thanks for the info

Pirate

[A L Morrison]

Hi Suzi

hope you enjoyed your holiday

In Andy and Sue Palours book (cant find it at present) they claim that Liz Strides priest made an entry using the name Jack the Ripper around 1st October.

So either the name was 'on the Street' before this time or the priest made that entry at a later date..ie back dated the entry.

Thanks for the info

Pirate

The reference to Stride being a victim of JTR looks very much like it was added later than the rest of that entry - not a forgery but a later annotation maybe by just a few days.

[Jeff Leahy]

The reference to Stride being a victim of JTR looks very much like it was added later than the rest of that entry - not a forgery but a later annotation maybe by just a few days.

Cheers A L M

[Sam Flynn]

The reference to Stride being a victim of JTR looks very much like it was added later than the rest of that entry - not a forgery but a later annotation maybe by just a few days.

I see it that way too.

[needler]

downonwhores (I REALLY hate that ID) and Caz.........

Sorry, dow, I can't help myself. The ID really is yucky, BUT since it's yours and you are you, I'll get over it! Interesting the question from the bookseller ...."where else would it be??". So truth will out after all. It's just a shame that she has sold so many on the backs of her fiction. And on top of all that, I just saw her on an "investigative" thingie about serial killers...Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy, blah, blah.......and at the close of the piece, there's our Pastie looking appropriately serious and saying the same damned thing....mDNA on a "VERY SCARCE.....ONLY 24 SHEETS IN EXISTENCE" piece of paper is a dead cert for Sickert as Ripper. YE GODS AND LITTLE FISHES!!! WILL NO ONE DELIVER ME FROM THIS MEDDLESOME POSER???

Now, on to the good stuff..........oooooooooooh, CAZ! Wish I had been there instead of here......thanks for the pix, though. BRILLIANT!

Off to make some sawdust in the shop, so cheers to all,

Judy