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Jack and the Thames Torso Murders: A New Ripper? by Drew Gray and Andrew Wise

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post

    Hmm. Okay. I found a heritage source of sorts that named one of their Wildfires the guy who was involved in the Ripper business, but it seemed uncertain which one of them it was. Anyways, so -55? Then he was 18 in 1873, a favorite litmus paper of mine...
    Wildbores, obviously - why do Macs autocorrect you...? And why is it called autocorrections when its all about autogettingitwrongs?

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by jerryd View Post

    Neither actually.
    Frederick J. Wildbore, born in 1855
    Hmm. Okay. I found a heritage source of sorts that named one of their Wildfires the guy who was involved in the Ripper business, but it seemed uncertain which one of them it was. Anyways, so -55? Then he was 18 in 1873, a favorite litmus paper of mine...

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

    Vine not?
    Theyíd kofta lot more.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

    Dolmades made in Seven Sisters?

    Leaf it out!
    Vine not?

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    Re my reference to N15... When I was at University I lived in Tottenham (the N17 bit), sharing a house with a Scouse friend, Stavros, who was of Greek Cypriot descent. Stav's somewhat elderly father would spend about half the year in Liverpool, and the rest at his home in Cyprus, from where he'd often send over "food parcels" of Hellenic comestibles for his poor student son. Stavros would share them with the rest of the house, bless him, and the first time he did so I picked up a packet of dolmades and tried to read the Greek on the back. I didn't need any Greek to read the address of the manufacturing company, which was in English; turned out that the dolmades, as well as many of the other goodies in the food parcel, had been made in Seven Sisters, London N15. We could have nipped down there personally and saved Mr Georgiou the postage!
    Dolmades made in Seven Sisters?

    Leaf it out!

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

    I had to check, Gareth, Iím not a postcode nerd, but I thought the northern end of TCR might just have been NW1.
    Re my reference to N15... When I was at University I lived in Tottenham (the N17 bit), sharing a house with a Scouse friend, Stavros, who was of Greek Cypriot descent. Stav's somewhat elderly father would spend about half the year in Liverpool, and the rest at his home in Cyprus, from where he'd often send over "food parcels" of Hellenic comestibles for his poor student son. Stavros would share them with the rest of the house, bless him, and the first time he did so I picked up a packet of dolmades and tried to read the Greek on the back. I didn't need any Greek to read the address of the manufacturing company, which was in English; turned out that the dolmades, as well as many of the other goodies in the food parcel, had been made in Seven Sisters, London N15. We could have nipped down there personally and saved Mr Georgiou the postage!

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  • Michael W Richards
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    I have never and will never buy any book that presumes killer and then spends a bunch of pages trying to prove it. I don't know how this book does that specifically, but if it anything like Hardimans file here..."
    Robert Hills suggests that as all the victims were middle aged mothers, with the exception of Mary Kelly who was more his wife's age, Hardiman was driven to murder by a hatred of mothers in general. He then proposes an alternative motive that Hardiman was avenging his daughter's death and that he suffered from pre-crime stress, and may have contracted veneral disease. In his favour as a Ripper suspect Hardiman was the right age, 29 and knew the local area well, having lived there all his life. He would have also possessed some skill with a knife and may have been familiar with (and contracted) syphilis from the local prostitutes. His occupation would have enabled him to work alone and he may have perceived prostitutes as the spreaders of disease, contributing to his wife and daughters death. He would having lived there at one time, have been familiar with 29 Hanbury Street, it's layout and exit route where Annie Chapman was murdered. He may also have, due to his occupation, been a visitor to Barber's horse slaughterer's yard situated only 150 yards from where the body of Mary Ann Nichols was subsequently discovered...."

    What a croc. That's a fact based theory? Or pure fantasy...
    Last edited by Michael W Richards; 08-16-2019, 12:45 PM.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

    Ta. As this is a torso thread, I needed to clarify the situation.

    BTW, I associate N15 more with Seven Sisters, but I take your point.
    I had to check, Gareth, Iím not a postcode nerd, but I thought the northern end of TCR might just have been NW1.

    We did some research into a possible Pitts (McKenzie) and Wildbore connection over on the Forums a little while ago. I donít think we found a family or personal connection, but the geographical (Peterborough and Leicester) connections were there.





    Last edited by MrBarnett; 08-16-2019, 11:22 AM.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

    Tottenham, N17 (and N15), not TCR, W1 (and NW1).

    Wildbore lived there at one time and Alice reportedly new a man from there.
    Ta. As this is a torso thread, I needed to clarify the situation.

    BTW, I associate N15 more with Seven Sisters, but I take your point.
    Last edited by Sam Flynn; 08-16-2019, 09:41 AM.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

    Tottenham London N17, or Tottenham Court Road London W1? There's quite a difference.
    Tottenham, N17 (and N15), not TCR, W1 (and NW1).

    Wildbore lived there at one time and Alice reportedly new a man from there.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by jerryd View Post

    Hi Gary!

    And Tottenham.
    Tottenham London N17, or Tottenham Court Road London W1? There's quite a difference.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by jerryd View Post

    Hi Gary!

    And Tottenham.
    Thatís right, Jerry.
    Last edited by MrBarnett; 08-16-2019, 06:21 AM.

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  • jerryd
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post

    Help me out here, Jerry, was it the Frederick W born 1842 or the one born in 1867 that found the torso?
    Neither actually.
    Frederick J. Wildbore, born in 1855

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by jerryd View Post

    Thanks Abby.

    I appreciate your confidence in my work on Wildbore. I think the lengthy article would be more realistic than the book. Hopefully someday I can come through on that. In the meantime I will continue to post anything else related to him and the torsos that I can dig up.
    Help me out here, Jerry, was it the Frederick W born 1842 or the one born in 1867 that found the torso?

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  • jerryd
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post

    Then they're three years off on his age...
    Actually, two years off.

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