Originally posted by Ally
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"He wrote out a check for Seven Hundred Dollars in 1888 or 1889 – the Legislature was in session at the time and I had to go to Baton Rouge. He wrote the check out, payable to bearer, and guaranteed me that I could cash it in any bank where we would go if I would go there with him. He was very anxious to et me to go with him, and I refused to go with him."
Later in the deposition they return to the time Tumblety gave him $20 which related to the section under discussion in which he says: "and he never attempted to do anything wrong with me until one night he took me to his room, and he locked the door on me. I don’t know whether he was humbugging or not, but he did make a bluff at me with one of those big knives. "
Q: Did I understand you to say that twenty years ago you examined his person sufficiently to see that he was neither man nor woman, but was what was commonly called a morphadite or a hermaphrodite?
A: He was, no doubt about that.
Q: And at the time he wanted you to have sexual relation with him; did he say so?
A: Yes, sir. I could tell you more than that. He threw me on the bed and we had quite a tussle. He threw me on top of him, but I was a pretty handy youngster myself then, was a wild fellow and took all sorts of chances, I was on the money side, saw he was stuck on me and I said, “I have got to [bribe] if you want me to do anything like that.” I went over and told my friend Doyle about it, and he said, “Why don’t you take a trick at him to see how it goes.”
Q: He let you go that night without having anything to do with him?
A: Yes, sir, after a hard time.
Q: And he gave you how much?
A: He gave me twenty dollars to take a cab. I told him I live up in Carrolitan.
Q: You accepted the twenty dollars?
A: I did.
Q: You never returned it to him? A: No.
Q: And you left him that night on the promise to return at ten o’clock the next morning?
A: I did.
Q: And you did return on the following morning at ten o’clock?
A: I did.
Q: And on that occasion he bought you a suit of clothes?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: Which you accepted?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: And you continued to associate with him from that time until in the 90’s; until sometime in the latter 90’s?
A: Yes, sir.
When you take into consideration all of the deposition, there is a chronology to it tells me that the most likely explanation is the disemboweling comment Tumblety made was prior to the murders, and Norris jumps ahead in time when he says he discussed him with Hennessey "he told me that reminds him of the big tall man that he read of in the Chicago Herald, and Pittsburg Dispatch, as being Jack the Ripper, and I said, he answers the description" and so the next time Norris sees Tumblety after this discussion "When I spoke to him about the numerous women that had been killed around White Chapel, he said, “Yes, I was there when it all happened”. Well, after he told me that, I tried to shun him".
This is how I choose to read it at this point in time, whether Ally likes it or not.
JM
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