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[Duran duren]

Thanks RJ! I have read Gavins article several times, its very good. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of looking at it from my pov (I'm 6'), so that would put me over 7'at the doorway and a 5 1/2' fence would not block anything, esp if you go with the later killing of AC.
Then again, Albert was in kind of a hurry for the outhouse and certainly wasn't considering whether a woman was being murdered across the fence.

[Fiver]

Im not sure how popular deerstalker hats were but they were the only distinctive item of dress other than the apparel Hutchinson described. That seemed over the top unless Possibly his purpose was to get Kelly indoors. Dress to impress? Wasn't the deerstalker a hunters hat?

Correct. It would be unusual to see a deerstalker in the city.

OTOH, unless seen from the back, it would be possible to mistake some other type of flat cap with a deerstalker.

[Lewis C]

There’s no issue with there being a gap between the “no” and the sound against the fence unless we make the assumption that the sound was made by the body falling against the fence but it might not have been that. It could have been the killer brushing against the fence as he was mutilating the corpse and perhaps changing his position.

I agree with that Herlock, and I'll add that if Cadosch heard Chapman saying no to her killer, we don't know what she was saying no in response to. I think it is often assumed that she said no when she recognized that an attack on her was beginning, but maybe there's a more mundane explanation. Maybe the man asked her if people come into the neighboring yard very often, and she said no to that. Or maybe he asked her if she'd like a cachou. Those are just 2 possible examples. Under this scenario, the attack on her would have begun when Cadosch was inside, between his 2 trips to the loo.

[Tom_Wescott]

Am I reading your analyse correctly...that Jack was robbing her for about four minutes while she was still upright, and then he proceeded to throw her down against the fence and cut her throat?

Four minutes? I doubt it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[GBinOz]

George, in your opinion, how tall do you think that fence was? I go with less than 5'5".

Davis testified "about 5 ft. 6 in. high", and Cadosh testified "about 5 ft. 6 in. to 6 ft. high", so I'd say probably 5'6".

[Duran duren]

Thanks George! If someone believes in the later time theory of AC's murder, then that tells a whole different story of the Whitechapel murderer IMO. Not once but twice did Albert come down those steps and yet JtR continued his pursuits all within early daylight...much different than the other poor victims of however many we believe. It says a lot.