Is He In The Mix?

[Herlock Sholmes]

That's the man!! Thanks!

He also wrote a series of novels featuring Inspector Lestrade, one of which was Lestrade and the Ripper.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I do recall a documentary, but have no reference to it. I suppose that some consideration needs to be considered toward the possibility that Mann was not the Ripper, but may have been Trevor's post murder organ harvester?

Hi George,

I’m surprised that Trevor hasn’t suggested him tbh.

[GBinOz]

Hi George,

I’m surprised that Trevor hasn’t suggested him tbh.

Hi Herlock,

IMO the level of dissecting competence rules out the usual suspects unless:

1. JtR was accustomed to the dissection room, and was someone like Thompson.

2. JtR was someone like the usual suspects and the intricate dissections were conducted after the actual murder.

Cheers, George

[Fernglas]

Hi Fernglas,

The question wasn't why you suspect Chapman. You previously said, "Deeming does not count, nothing but rumours connect him to the Whitechapel murders." My question was, what do you mean by being connected to the WC murders? From my point of view, the only people with a known connection to the murders are people known to have been at one of the murder sites near the time when the murder happened. Maybe you could also include people like Joseph Barnett (known to have had a relationship with a victim). But maybe your idea of having a connection is different from that. If so, what constitutes a connection for you?

It was once thought that Deeming was either in South Africa or in jail at the time of the Ripper murders, but we now know that he was in England at the time. See Ripperologist 142 (Feb 2015), page 91. The words are those of Paul Begg.

Ah, it clears up your view! I think you have a too strict definition of what a connection to the murders can be.
For me a connection to the murders among other traits is a suspect having had the possibility to commit these murders, meaning being a resident of Whitechapel at the time or knowing this part of London very well and living not more than 30 kilometers away. But I truly doubt that the Ripper was a commuter, it is near certain that he lived there.
Deeming might have been in England at the time of Jack´s reign of terror, but he certainly lacked the area knowledge the Ripper possessed

[The Rookie Detective]

Ah, it clears up your view! I think you have a too strict definition of what a connection to the murders can be.
For me a connection to the murders among other traits is a suspect having had the possibility to commit these murders, meaning being a resident of Whitechapel at the time or knowing this part of London very well and living not more than 30 kilometers away. But I truly doubt that the Ripper was a commuter, it is near certain that he lived there.
Deeming might have been in England at the time of Jack´s reign of terror, but he certainly lacked the area knowledge the Ripper possessed

Yes i agree

The one thing that Deeming lacked; was the intimate knowledge of the local area that the Ripper needed to have had.

The ripper was a man who knew the area inside out; every nook and cranny and every side alley, cut-through, empty warehouse, short cut etc etc...

That would require an individual who had lived in the area for some time.

There are surprisingly only a handful of potential suspects and persons of interest who fit that criteria.


Deeming isn't one of them.

[A P Tomlinson]

agree. lots of dodgy stuff going on with him.

There's such a huge spectrum of "What the Hell was he up to?" with Hutchinson.
It ranges from "Maybe he was the killer?" through "Maybe he was just a canny operator who grabbed an opportunity to fleece the Met out of a few quid?" to "He was Mentalist Level observant with eidetic memory skills and should have been on the Music Hall Stage with an act where 20 members of the audience put an item on a tray at the start of the show and he glances at them for 2 seconds, and at the end of the show repeats back everything that had been on the tray and even identifies who put it there!" The Incredible Hutchini the Memory Man!

[Abby Normal]

Yes i agree

The one thing that Deeming lacked; was the intimate knowledge of the local area that the Ripper needed to have had.

The ripper was a man who knew the area inside out; every nook and cranny and every side alley, cut-through, empty warehouse, short cut etc etc...

That would require an individual who had lived in the area for some time.

There are surprisingly only a handful of potential suspects and persons of interest who fit that criteria.


Deeming isn't one of them.

agree. and that he probably wasnt even in london at the time pretty much rules him out as a serious suspect for me.

[Abby Normal]

There's such a huge spectrum of "What the Hell was he up to?" with Hutchinson.
It ranges from "Maybe he was the killer?" through "Maybe he was just a canny operator who grabbed an opportunity to fleece the Met out of a few quid?" to "He was Mentalist Level observant with eidetic memory skills and should have been on the Music Hall Stage with an act where 20 members of the audience put an item on a tray at the start of the show and he glances at them for 2 seconds, and at the end of the show repeats back everything that had been on the tray and even identifies who put it there!" The Incredible Hutchini the Memory Man!

lol. true!

[New Waterloo]

Perhaps there is something overlooked. Edward Stanley man friend of Chapman was known by some as Edward Wand. Now Wand I would suggest is a fairly uncommon surname. In the 1881 Census for 24 Bucks Row lives a Frank Wand aged 28 Horse Slaughterer. Date too early probably coincidence. But little bit interesting. Maybe
NW

[Lewis C]

Yes i agree

The one thing that Deeming lacked; was the intimate knowledge of the local area that the Ripper needed to have had.

The ripper was a man who knew the area inside out; every nook and cranny and every side alley, cut-through, empty warehouse, short cut etc etc...

That would require an individual who had lived in the area for some time.

There are surprisingly only a handful of potential suspects and persons of interest who fit that criteria.


Deeming isn't one of them.

Hi RD,

Chapman wouldn't fit your criteria either, because he moved to Whitechapel shortly before the murders started, so he wouldn't know every nook and cranny and side alley, etc.

[Lewis C]

Ah, it clears up your view! I think you have a too strict definition of what a connection to the murders can be.
For me a connection to the murders among other traits is a suspect having had the possibility to commit these murders, meaning being a resident of Whitechapel at the time or knowing this part of London very well and living not more than 30 kilometers away. But I truly doubt that the Ripper was a commuter, it is near certain that he lived there.
Deeming might have been in England at the time of Jack´s reign of terror, but he certainly lacked the area knowledge the Ripper possessed

Thanks, now I understand what you mean.