Can't get past Maxwell

[mpriestnall]

Hi Abby,

An additional consideration is that Maxwell said she also knew Joe Barnett, and that they were a couple, but didn't know they had separated.
"It was then about half-past eight, and as it was unusual for her to be seen about at that hour I said to her, "Hallo, what are you doing up so early?" She said: "Oh, I'm very bad this morning. I have had the horrors. I have been drinking so much lately." I said to her: "Why don't you go and have half a pint of beer? It will put you right." She replied, "I've just had one, but I am so bad I couldn't keep it down." I didn't know then that she had separated from the man she had been living with, and I thought he had been "paying" her."

If for the sake of discussion we accept that Maxwell was talking to MJK, her vomiting would have emptied her stomach, so either, after not being able to keep a beer down, she then went and a meal of fish and chips, started soliciting and picked up Jack etc. The autopsy said she had a partially digested meal of fish and chips in her stomach. How can this be? She either had nothing in her stomach after vomiting, or a fresh meal of fish and chips. The only solution is that the body containing the stomach that was autopsied was not from the woman to whom Maxwell spoke. I also believe the timing is too short for it to have been her.

All the evidence for a night time murder can still stand, just with a different woman.

The ripper hoax letter did come from the lodging house address but it was was a hoax penned by a bored young girl named Smith, living in the lodging house, but who was originally from Yarmouth.

Cheers, George

Love this observation! I don't believe anyone has pointed out this incongruity before.

Hard to believe Maxwell is mistaken about the day or is lying, so...

[Aethelwulf]

Love this observation! I don't believe anyone has pointed out this incongruity before.

Hard to believe Maxwell is mistaken about the day or is lying, so...

Er...Kelly only brought up part of her meal...

What a laughably poor reason for assuming it wasn't Kelly. It's post like this ('it wasn't Kelly') that give the subject a bad name IMO. There should be an entirely separate part of the boards for this joke material.

[Harry D]

yes Jerry Dunlop is the main researcher par excellence for this and puts forth an intriguing idea that the torsos (and I beleive possibly the ripper crimes) were probably the work of two men, one named wildbore, who was a worker in the vaults at NSY and lived right along a route where many of the torso parts where dumped.

Interesting, Abby. That researcher does ring a bell but I didn't know he was advancing a two-killer theory. Serial killing duos are rare but not unheard of. No hard evidence exists that conclusively links one single person to any of these crimes, so the possibilities are endless, but I find it very unlikely to be more than two killers.

[etenguy]

hi eten
all this stuff about Maxwell conundrum, the hoax letter from her place etc. has reminded me of the crazy theory put forth by a former poster here called Pierre who said the ripper was maxwells husband-it was a pretty far out theory involving all the crazy stuff like anagrams, weird interpretation/spelling of the GSG etc. he (turns out he was actually a she-forgot her name)-actually published a book on it eventually.

His/ her first post title on here will surly ring a bell with many on here-"I Think I have found him. " he/she then proceeded with years of promising to reveal the name, but always needed "that last piece of data", ragging on other people for not being real historians, crazy peripheral ideas and the like. a real character lol.

Thank you for reminding me about Pierre - I remember the forever teasing to reveal and never being quite ready.

He/She is not the only person to suggest Maxwell's husband was involved. Someone (not being coy - can't remember who) suggested that Maxwell lied about seeing MJK in order to provide her husband with an alibi.

[Abby Normal]

Interesting, Abby. That researcher does ring a bell but I didn't know he was advancing a two-killer theory. Serial killing duos are rare but not unheard of. No hard evidence exists that conclusively links one single person to any of these crimes, so the possibilities are endless, but I find it very unlikely to be more than two killers.

Hi Harry
I do too, but Jerry is an incredible researcher (and great guy)and was the one who found out about the torso predictions, john cleary etc. He backs up all his ideas with evidence, rational reasoning and stellar detailed research-maps, charts, newspapers documents the whole deal. and of course hes an expert on the torsos. He still posts on here sometime but mainly on the other forum.

I keep telling him he needs to write a book, or at least put all his ideas into one article.

if you have the inclination I would search up his posts on here and the other forum.

[Abby Normal]

Thank you for reminding me about Pierre - I remember the forever teasing to reveal and never being quite ready.

He/She is not the only person to suggest Maxwell's husband was involved. Someone (not being coy - can't remember who) suggested that Maxwell lied about seeing MJK in order to provide her husband with an alibi.

yeah i think pierre said that too

[mpriestnall]

Er...Kelly only brought up part of her meal...

What a laughably poor reason for assuming it wasn't Kelly. It's post like this ('it wasn't Kelly') that give the subject a bad name IMO. There should be an entirely separate part of the boards for this joke material.

It potentially supportive of the victim being Kelly. If you want to denigrate or miscontrue what I was saying that's up to you.

Instead of only nit-picking other peoples contributions, why don't you offer something more constructive and positive or is that beyond you?

[mpriestnall]

Er...Kelly only brought up part of her meal...

What a laughably poor reason for assuming it wasn't Kelly. It's post like this ('it wasn't Kelly') that give the subject a bad name IMO. There should be an entirely separate part of the boards for this joke material.

Aethelwulf, I've put you on the "morons to ignore" list.

[DJA]

I'm unconvinced the meal and vomit is as significant as you are making out. I've been sick enough times from general and alcohol to know that it can take a few goes to get down to an empty stomach. She could have eaten the meal and just brought part of it up.

[Aethelwulf]

It potentially supportive of the victim being Kelly. If you want to denigrate or miscontrue what I was saying that's up to you.

Instead of only nit-picking other peoples contributions, why don't you offer something more constructive and positive or is that beyond you?

it's not nit picking when it's a daft idea. what was written about the meal: 'The only solution is that the body containing the stomach that was autopsied was not from the woman to whom Maxwell spoke.' So we get Kelly being overcome with the contents of her room and being sick and then being able to go back into the room, ignore the gore, to dress in her friend's clothes (friend who was also a dead ringer for kelly to fool Barnett). She chats to her friends about the murder - do we ever hear of these people? and leaves for no apparent motive. with no money she'd be committed to full time prostitution. she'd be going from a difficult situation in Miller's court but with friends and contacts and routine to total uncertainty. For what, some owed rent?

[mpriestnall]

It potentially supportive of the victim being Kelly. If you want to denigrate or miscontrue what I was saying that's up to you.

Instead of only nit-picking other peoples contributions, why don't you offer something more constructive and positive or is that beyond you?

NOT Kelly lol!

[Aethelwulf]

we know you support an equally if not more crazy theory. Oh look, there's the 50 odd year old Gawen Sutton running around carrying out facial surgery in the dark. nice.

[DJA]

Aethelwulf, I've put you on the "morons to ignore" list.

Ditto!

[mpriestnall]

it's not nit picking when it's a daft idea. what was written about the meal: 'The only solution is that the body containing the stomach that was autopsied was not from the woman to whom Maxwell spoke.' So we get Kelly being overcome with the contents of her room and being sick and then being able to go back into the room, ignore the gore, to dress in her friend's clothes (friend who was also a dead ringer for kelly to fool Barnett). She chats to her friends about the murder - do we ever hear of these people? and leaves for no apparent motive. with no money she'd be committed to full time prostitution. she'd be going from a difficult situation in Miller's court but with friends and contacts and routine to total uncertainty. For what, some owed rent?

I liked the idea that there was incongruity between the autopsied woman having a partially digested meal and Kelly, as observed throwing up. That's all.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Her husband Henry was deputy at the lodging house next door,owned by William Crossingham of Romford.
Same place Hutchinson allegedly stood in front of while surveilling Millers Court.

Indeed, and not forgetting that Sarah Lewis said he was looking at the court as if waiting for someone to come out.
Could Henry Maxwell have been some kind of lookout for Mcarthy as well as being the deputy lodging house keeper ? Mary owed six weeks rent, it is not unusual for people to do a midnight flit and Mary's rent was due the next day. Perhaps Henry Maxwell felt intimidated by Mcarthy and was scared that their may be some repercussion of him missing Jack. But if Mary was seen at 8:30 in the morning after her husband had finished his shift, that would be him off the hook.

Regards Darryl