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  • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    I think you and others need to look at the photo of the door and if you look carefully you will be able to see that when the door is open there is such a poition and angle that would obsure the door from the body. Bearing in mind it was just about getting light that morning so that has to be taken into account

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    And you need to realise that John Richardson also knew all of this. Far better than we do in fact. And he was absolutely certain that with the position that he’d been in the door certainly hadn’t blocked the body. How much of an utter imbecile would he have had to have been to not have considered the possibility that a wooden door can’t block someone’s line of sight? He obviously would have considered it and knew for a fact that from where he’d sat and with the position of the door he couldn’t have missed the body.

    Why do we have to keep explaining aiming the bleeding obvious Trevor. It’s not a case of whether it was physically possible for the door to have blocked his view. Whether it was or not isn’t really the point. The point is that Richardson would have known of the physical possibility but that in reality it didn’t happen. For example, we don’t know how far open he pushed the door as he went down the steps. He knew that in those circumstances he couldn’t have missed the body. Therefore we’re reduced to accusing him of telling a pointless, totally ineffective lie, ignoring 8mor 9 obvious and effective ones, in favour of one that clearly would have made the police suspicious of him. Come on!!! This nonsense should have been put to bed ages ago.
    Regards

    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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    • Originally posted by jerryd View Post

      To add a bit, if you don't mind Abby.

      Her knees were spread outward on each side. In my mind that makes her right leg even more visible even if the door were up against Richardson.
      hi jerry!
      yup, that too! theres no way he could have missed her, had she been there.

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      • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

        And you need to realise that John Richardson also knew all of this. Far better than we do in fact. And he was absolutely certain that with the position that he’d been in the door certainly hadn’t blocked the body. How much of an utter imbecile would he have had to have been to not have considered the possibility that a wooden door can’t block someone’s line of sight? He obviously would have considered it and knew for a fact that from where he’d sat and with the position of the door he couldn’t have missed the body.

        Why do we have to keep explaining aiming the bleeding obvious Trevor. It’s not a case of whether it was physically possible for the door to have blocked his view. Whether it was or not isn’t really the point. The point is that Richardson would have known of the physical possibility but that in reality it didn’t happen. For example, we don’t know how far open he pushed the door as he went down the steps. He knew that in those circumstances he couldn’t have missed the body. Therefore we’re reduced to accusing him of telling a pointless, totally ineffective lie, ignoring 8mor 9 obvious and effective ones, in favour of one that clearly would have made the police suspicious of him. Come on!!! This nonsense should have been put to bed ages ago.
        plus theres the ridiculous idea of someone fixing there shoe with a door leaning up against them lol.

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        • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

          And you need to realise that John Richardson also knew all of this. Far better than we do in fact. And he was absolutely certain that with the position that he’d been in the door certainly hadn’t blocked the body. How much of an utter imbecile would he have had to have been to not have considered the possibility that a wooden door can’t block someone’s line of sight? He obviously would have considered it and knew for a fact that from where he’d sat and with the position of the door he couldn’t have missed the body.......
          These people need to go through the motions involved in what We're talking about.

          You can't sit down before you place your feet on the flags. He must push the door wide open to walk down the steps, the door is open at it's widest as he is coming down the steps. He stands on the flags, then sits down, and the door may close against his knee, or his left arm. But, the point is the door has been open wider already. So it's only obvious he has a wider view of the yard as he comes down the steps.

          However, I prefer to think he came down the steps, let the door close behind him, then sat on that 2nd step. The yard was fully open to view, which is how he knows the body was not there.

          Regards, Jon S.

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          • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

            And you need to realise that John Richardson also knew all of this. Far better than we do in fact. And he was absolutely certain that with the position that he’d been in the door certainly hadn’t blocked the body. How much of an utter imbecile would he have had to have been to not have considered the possibility that a wooden door can’t block someone’s line of sight? He obviously would have considered it and knew for a fact that from where he’d sat and with the position of the door he couldn’t have missed the body.

            Why do we have to keep explaining aiming the bleeding obvious Trevor. It’s not a case of whether it was physically possible for the door to have blocked his view. Whether it was or not isn’t really the point. The point is that Richardson would have known of the physical possibility but that in reality it didn’t happen. For example, we don’t know how far open he pushed the door as he went down the steps. He knew that in those circumstances he couldn’t have missed the body. Therefore we’re reduced to accusing him of telling a pointless, totally ineffective lie, ignoring 8mor 9 obvious and effective ones, in favour of one that clearly would have made the police suspicious of him. Come on!!! This nonsense should have been put to bed ages ago.
            Why dont you take the blinkers off and start to consider what others are trying to explain to you, but you are so pig headed on this topic that all your sense of reasoning has gone out of the window. If he sat on the step to fix his boot after he had stood on the step to look to his right and saw that the lock on the cellar was intact. It is known that the door was on a spring so it is not beyond the realms of possibilty that when and if he sat on the step the door could have sprung back coming to rest agaisnt his leg and prevented him seeing the body, had that ocurred his only line of vision would have been to the front and to the right.

            If he spoke to Chandler before he saw where the body was Richardson would be correct that based on what I have postulated he would not have seen the body because it wasnt in front of him or to his right so on that basis he was not lying.

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            • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

              These people need to go through the motions involved in what We're talking about.

              You can't sit down before you place your feet on the flags. He must push the door wide open to walk down the steps, the door is open at it's widest as he is coming down the steps. He stands on the flags, then sits down, and the door may close against his knee, or his left arm. But, the point is the door has been open wider already. So it's only obvious he has a wider view of the yard as he comes down the steps.

              However, I prefer to think he came down the steps, let the door close behind him, then sat on that 2nd step. The yard was fully open to view, which is how he knows the body was not there.
              You are wrong his first action would have been to push the door open while standing on the step, he would only have need to open the door enough to look to the right at that point the door would have been blocking him from seeing where the body was. He then sits down with the door pushing agsinst his leg and the angle is still preventing him from seeing the body

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              • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                Why dont you take the blinkers off and start to consider what others are trying to explain to you, but you are so pig headed on this topic that all your sense of reasoning has gone out of the window. If he sat on the step to fix his boot after he had stood on the step to look

                to his right and saw that the lock on the cellar was intact. It is known that the door was on a spring so it is not beyond the realms of possibilty that when and if he sat on the step the door could have sprung back coming to rest agaisnt his leg and prevented him seeing the body, had that ocurred his only line of vision would have been to the front and to the right.

                If he spoke to Chandler before he saw where the body was Richardson would be correct that based on what I have postulated he would not have seen the body because it wasnt in front of him or to his right so on that basis he was not lying.

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                And Richardson would have been fully aware of that!!!!

                But he was 100% confident that he had seen enough of the yard to have made it impossible for the body to have remained concealed.

                I really can’t make this any easier for you to grasp Trevor.
                Regards

                Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                  So he could have sat on the steps with the door between the steps thus hiding the body !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  Thats it then, mystery solved he didnt lie, he sat on the step to repair his boot, and could not have seen the body because the door was blocking his view. Might as well close the thread down now, Phillips was right, Richardson didnt see the body !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  It seems like this is the pick on Trevor thread lol. But seriously, why would you think the body (if it was there) wouldn't be able to be seen sitting on the step? It's not like the doors bottom edge was flush with the ground.

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                  • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

                    However, I prefer to think he came down the steps, let the door close behind him, then sat on that 2nd step. The yard was fully open to view, which is how he knows the body was not there.
                    Hi Jon,

                    On page one there is an illustration of JR sitting on the steps, and the door is open. Is there a shred of evidence anywhere that he let the door close behind him?

                    Best regards, George
                    It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. It shall be life. - Ten Bears

                    All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. - Bladerunner

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                    • Originally posted by The Macdonald Triad View Post

                      It seems like this is the pick on Trevor thread lol. But seriously, why would you think the body (if it was there) wouldn't be able to be seen sitting on the step? It's not like the doors bottom edge was flush with the ground.
                      Hi Mac3,

                      By my calculation it was about 3" above his leg, so it would have closed on his arm or shoulder, depending on which direction he was oriented while sitting, which is something we cannot know.

                      Cheers, George
                      It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. It shall be life. - Ten Bears

                      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. - Bladerunner

                      ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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                      • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                        You are wrong his first action would have been to push the door open while standing on the step, he would only have need to open the door enough to look to the right at that point the door would have been blocking him from seeing where the body was. He then sits down with the door pushing agsinst his leg and the angle is still preventing him from seeing the body

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                        I really can’t make up my mind whether you don’t understand the obvious or whether you do but you just keep arguing for the sake of it.

                        Imagine that you are standing in that doorway or any doorway. You then have to walk down 3 steps so that your feet are on the flags of the yard. People don’t walk through a door by pushing it open with their bodies unless they have no arms. So that person would have to push the door open to around 45 degrees just to have stepped down onto the first step and he had two more steps to go. So unless he bizarrely slinked through the door with his just looking to the right as he descended then were asking too much. The normal think to do would be to have push open the do something over 90 degrees (if he’d just opened it to 90 degrees his shoulder would have been against the door as he descended) If he opens the door to just over 90 degrees then he can’t have failed to have seen the body.

                        But even apart from that we have Richardson’s statement which you’ve done your usual tactic to try and discredit. He could see all over the yard and couldn’t possibly have missed a corpse. This should outweigh everything else as all attempts to portray John Richardson as liar of staggering ineptitude can safely be dismissed.
                        Regards

                        Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                        “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                        • Click image for larger version

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ID:	791034How about some perspective? I've used a random stock image of a guy tying his shoe. His image has 4 steps but I've lined up the other 3 as you can see by the opacity. If there was a body, his left foot would be right next to intestines and her right shoulder and head. Her legs were propped up with her soles flat and she was wearing bright red and white stockings. Now if that door was level with the ground there might be a case for him not seeing (if it was there) the body.

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                          • Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                            Hi Jon,

                            On page one there is an illustration of JR sitting on the steps, and the door is open. Is there a shred of evidence anywhere that he let the door close behind him?

                            Best regards, George
                            I agree George, but equally that sketch of Richardson sat on the steps does not show the door pressing against his body, arm or leg.
                            In fact, I find it interesting that those who put faith in the sketches seem to be willing to accept none of those sketches show the door closed.
                            In fact, if we rely on the sketches from the time, it is apparent that door does not close by itself.

                            Which argument do you want to subscribe to George?
                            The door closed by itself, and JR sat in front of it, or
                            The door did not close, it just stayed open (as in all the sketches).

                            Can you choose?
                            Regards, Jon S.

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                            • Originally posted by The Macdonald Triad View Post
                              Click image for larger version  Name:	macedithanbury.jpg Views:	0 Size:	134.2 KB ID:	791034How about some perspective? I've used a random stock image of a guy tying his shoe. His image has 4 steps but I've lined up the other 3 as you can see by the opacity. If there was a body, his left foot would be right next to intestines and her right shoulder and head. Her legs were propped up with her soles flat and she was wearing bright red and white stockings. Now if that door was level with the ground there might be a case for him not seeing (if it was there) the body.
                              hi mac
                              excellent photo! now just add the body lol! as everyone can see her head and face would have been inches from his left foot and her body and legs extending out clearly right in his line of view (even with the door propped up against him!) and as jerryd pointed out her legs were spread/ splayed which would have put them even closer him and his line of sight.

                              there is no way if she was there he could have missed her. i cant even believe people debate this, its utterly ridiculous.

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                              • Originally posted by The Macdonald Triad View Post
                                Click image for larger version  Name:	macedithanbury.jpg Views:	0 Size:	134.2 KB ID:	791034How about some perspective? I've used a random stock image of a guy tying his shoe. His image has 4 steps but I've lined up the other 3 as you can see by the opacity. If there was a body, his left foot would be right next to intestines and her right shoulder and head. Her legs were propped up with her soles flat and she was wearing bright red and white stockings. Now if that door was level with the ground there might be a case for him not seeing (if it was there) the body.
                                But if he was seated on the first step that would effect his line of vision with the door being propped open by his leg or his arm we are looking at this from the wrong angle we should look at it from the angle from the inside of 29 looking out from the hallway

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                                Last edited by Trevor Marriott; 07-30-2022, 03:01 PM.

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