Chapman’s death.

[Errata]

Nope that doesn't work, two problems with that scenario

Just two? I must be improving.

[The Baron]

WELL WELL WELL ,LOOKY WHAT WE HAVE HERE , DONT YOU EVER SAY THAT DR PHILLIPS WAS WRONG IN HIS T.OD, OR THAT HE WAS GUESSING AND THAT HE WAS INACCURATE TO PROVE THAT LONG CODOSCH AND RICHARDSON WERE RIGHT HERLOCK . GREAT FIND BARON.

Always my pleasure Fishy!

Oh, and I didn't tell you?! I llllllove it when you write in bold, it looks fantastic!!!



The Baron

[FISHY1118]

I don’t think he was. It would be hard to cut with steps in the way. I think he stood Above her head. I think he lowered her down by the shoulders, and stood at the top of her head. It’s tight, but you’re not reaching over things.

Nope that doesn't work, two problems with that scenario

[The Baron]

[Coroner] Have you ever seen any strangers there? - Yes, plenty, at all hours - both men and women. I have often turned them out. We have had them on our first floor as well, on the landing.


Funny enough, Herlock and Co. want us to forget about all those plenty strangers - at all hours - both men and women, and accept only their opinion that it MUST have been Chapman and the ripper!


I Challenge you again to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that those sounds couldn't have come from any other stranger!



The Baron

[DJA]

Brilliant post dave

Dagon1 - Dagon - Wikipedia

[Errata]

The killer was indeed on the right side of Chapman when he cut her throat, not her left where he could have kicked the fence so codosch could hear him.

I don’t think he was. It would be hard to cut with steps in the way. I think he stood Above her head. I think he lowered her down by the shoulders, and stood at the top of her head. It’s tight, but you’re not reaching over things.

[The Baron]

2. He was certain that the noise came from number 29. A matter of 6 feet or so away from him. In a yard where a woman is murdered. What else could the noise have realistically been? A while ago you suggested packing cases but I pointed out that there were no packing cases in the yard at the time. So what else, realistically, could have made the noise.

Maybe that was Richardson stealing the rings out of Chapman's fingers.


I challenge you to prove this couldn't be the case!



The Baron

[FISHY1118]

The killer was indeed on the right side of Chapman when he cut her throat, not her left where he could have kicked the fence so codosch could hear him.

[FISHY1118]

Youve twisted this tread topic so badly a real shame

[Herlock Sholmes]

WELL WELL WELL ,LOOKY WHAT WE HAVE HERE , DONT YOU EVER SAY THAT DR PHILLIPS WAS WRONG IN HIS T.OD, OR THAT HE WAS GUESSING AND THAT HE WAS INACCURATE TO PROVE THAT LONG CODOSCH AND RICHARDSON WERE RIGHT HERLOCK . GREAT FIND BARON.

Its embarrassing. Read the quote Fishy. John G has already explained why it means nothing. It says nothing about accuracy. Check out a meaningful post. #1692.

Phillips is irrelevant and no amount of childish blather from you and Baron will change things. TOD 5.25-5.30. Beyond All Reasonable Doubt.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Brilliant post dave

I can add hypocrite to the list.

You chastise me for using the word dishonest and yet praise a post that has three personal insults against me.

Keep digging Fishy.

[FISHY1118]

So take this reality shock, it will be hard:


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WELL WELL WELL ,LOOKY WHAT WE HAVE HERE , DONT YOU EVER SAY THAT DR PHILLIPS WAS WRONG IN HIS T.OD, OR THAT HE WAS GUESSING AND THAT HE WAS INACCURATE TO PROVE THAT LONG CODOSCH AND RICHARDSON WERE RIGHT HERLOCK . GREAT FIND BARON.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Careful herlock about calling me dishonest, remember what you were told about that .

Maybe you should be careful in case I got back and report you for calling me a moron.

If I say that someone isn’t telling the truth I can back it up with black and white evidence.

[Herlock Sholmes]

No , its just like i said ive spent to much time debating chapman with you. And have shown over and over and over again why long, codosch and Richardson are unreliable and contradict each other, and in no way make it certain that she was killed at 5.30am like you famously claim .

Thanks to wolf vanderlinden for his excellent work in establishing just that .

All other reasonable posters can see this too.

You’ve debated nothing. You have made a single sensible post. You’ve dodged and avoided every single question. Then to top it all off you laughably claim to know more about Forensic Science than the world’s experts.

Talking of reasonable posters.....this is why the poll overwhelmingly went for the witnesses over Phillips.

Phillips is now irrelevant except to those desperate to bolster a theory. Game long over.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Thats better , ... i understand very well thank you, but its your comprehension thats letting you down im afraid.... just like theres no way of knowing there was anyone in the yard of number 29 at 5.20am ? Remember herlock, codosch only thought the ''no'' came from 29 but he could say for certain which side it came from ... DOUBT.

Has that also sunk in herlock.

There is nothing wrong with my comprehension Fishy. You are being selective again. Can you not see this.

Yes, Cadosch admitted to uncertainty about the ‘no.’ He was being honest. Why is this held against him in your eyes?

But he had no such uncertainty about the noise. You cannot dismiss one because of the other. If someone is uncertain about point A but certain about point B point B cannot simply be dismissed. It makes no logical sense. Cadosch is a creditable witness. There is no evidence that he got anything wrong. There is no evidence that he lied. Your logic is deeply flawed.

Two questions.

1. Cadosch hears the word no. He thinks it came from 29 but he cannot be certain. How likely is it that he could mistake a noise that came from 6 feet away for one that came from yards away? If it came from further away then it must have been louder. No one else heard someone shout no. The police would have questioned neighbours and yet no one appears to have been in the other yards. The only place where anything of significance occurred was in the yard of number 29. How likely is it that the ‘no’ came from a distance away?

2. He was certain that the noise came from number 29. A matter of 6 feet or so away from him. In a yard where a woman is murdered. What else could the noise have realistically been? A while ago you suggested packing cases but I pointed out that there were no packing cases in the yard at the time. So what else, realistically, could have made the noise.