Was Mary Kelly a Ripper victim?

[Darryl Kenyon]

See what I mean? Differences are trivialised, so as to justify ignoring such details. Half a foot is hardly "a bit" taller, and 20 years is hardly "a bit" younger. The main thing to note about height is when the victims become taller than the murderer - that is unusual in and of itself, but especially when all previous victims have been uniform.

As for Ted Bundy, would you suspect him if he were at large and a woman in her 50s was found slain? He had a thing for young women. It's not random that the oldest of his numerous victims was 26 years old. And Bundy was also, as far as I'm aware, taller than all of his victims.

I watched a docu on Bundy recently and he seemed to pick up his victims were you would expect to find younger women, campuses, on the beach, hitchhikers etc . Jack prowled the street at night were it would be reasonable to expect the victims would be of say Polly's class rather than young prettier women who would most likely work in brothels.
As for Mary that was probably due to the fact that he moved indoors [extra patrols etc] and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If Mrs Cox lived in the ground floor flat I am sure that Jack would just as easily murdered her.

[Sam Flynn]

As for Ted Bundy, would you suspect him if he were at large and a woman in her 50s was found slain? He had a thing for young women

But Bundy killed two, perhaps three, little girls, which is not to trivialise anything, merely to point out that the victim's age is not always a straightforward diagnostic criterion. Besides, any significance we read into the victims' ages is somewhat complicated by the observation that Nichols looked younger than her years, and the same has been argued for Eddowes and Stride.

[Trevor Marriott]

You ought to take care, bouncing up and down like that at your age could damage your health

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[Karl]

Mary Kelly was a bit younger and a bit taller than the other victims.

Ergo, she wasn't slain by the same knife-wielding lunatic butchering women in Whitechapel.

See what I mean? Differences are trivialised, so as to justify ignoring such details. Half a foot is hardly "a bit" taller, and 20 years is hardly "a bit" younger. The main thing to note about height is when the victims become taller than the murderer - that is unusual in and of itself, but especially when all previous victims have been uniform.

As for Ted Bundy, would you suspect him if he were at large and a woman in her 50s was found slain? He had a thing for young women. It's not random that the oldest of his numerous victims was 26 years old. And Bundy was also, as far as I'm aware, taller than all of his victims.

[Jon Guy]

[Trevor Marriott]

Is that because her heart was taken by the killer ?

According to Detective Inspector Reid head of Whitechapel CID who attended the crime scene, it was not taken away by the killer. But of course you already know that dont you?

And that is why Kelly's murders is different from the rest, and has a direct bearing on the murders of Chapman and Eddowes.

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[Darryl Kenyon]

I think this "myth" can be traced to the Daily Telegraph, Nov 10th, 1888:

"That the woman had had no struggle with her betrayer was shown by her position and the way in which her garments, including a velvet bodice, were arranged by the fireplace."


As you say, Caz, they are not necessarily 'folded,' but they are arranged in an organized manner instead of being cut to pieces or thrown onto the floor or the bedside table in a heap. I think many find this puzzling; it is a little too cozy in comparison to the impatient lunatic we sense was at work in Hanbury Street, Buck's Row, etc.

Personally, I believe it is the same man, but something seems slightly 'amiss' to me.

We don't know if these were the clothes Mary was wearing that night. Maria Harvey said in her testimony that she had left a number of items of clothing with Mary [including two dirty shirts]. Perhaps Mary cleaned clothes in the tin bath seen under the bedstead for an extra penny or two and she had washed these clothes earlier and left them in front of the fire to dry. I think it is also worth noting that Abberline, though mentioning a great deal of clothing was burnt in the fire he doesn't mention the items which were not burnt next to the fire {and why wouldn't the ripper burn these items since they were readily accessible?], if they were indeed there.

[MrBarnett]

Mary Kelly was a bit younger and a bit taller than the other victims.

Ergo, she wasn't slain by the same knife-wielding lunatic butchering women in Whitechapel.

She had also very likely been trafficked between Cardiff, France, Kensington and the Ratcliffe Highway - very different circumstances from the other victims.

[Jon Guy]

I am of the opinion that Kellys murder was different from the rest

Is that because her heart was taken by the killer ?

[Trevor Marriott]

Mary Kelly was a bit younger and a bit taller than the other victims.

Ergo, she wasn't slain by the same knife-wielding lunatic butchering women in Whitechapel.

I am of the opinion that Kellys murder was different from the rest

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[Sam Flynn]

I should've added a wink wink.

Ah, I get your drift, Harry!

[Harry D]

Lynette Culver and Kimberly Leach were pre-teens, ergo they weren't killed by Ted Bundy, who killed girls in their teens or twenties. (Similar things could be said of Shawcross and Sutcliffe, among others.)

I should've added a wink wink.

[Sam Flynn]

Mary Kelly was a bit younger and a bit taller than the other victims.

Ergo, she wasn't slain by the same knife-wielding lunatic butchering women in Whitechapel.

Lynette Culver and Kimberly Leach were pre-teens, ergo they weren't killed by Ted Bundy, who killed girls in their teens or twenties. (Similar things could be said of Shawcross and Sutcliffe, among others.)

[Harry D]

Mary Kelly was a bit younger and a bit taller than the other victims.

Ergo, she wasn't slain by the same knife-wielding lunatic butchering women in Whitechapel.

[Karl]

Have you been able to define what that motive is, Karl?

Certainly not. Motive can only be discussed once we have specific suspects we can examine. Different suspects may be assigned different motives. If it was suspect A, his motive was probably such and such. If it was suspect B, then he probably did it for these reasons. Personally, I have no suspects.

While your opinion on Kelly being different within the victimology of the case does have supporting evidence to suggest such i.e her 'height'; 'youth' and such - this does not offer much evidence to the contrary of her not being a victim of the same killer, either.

Those things do constitute evidence to the contrary, as anything which deviates from a pattern is evidence of an architect different from the maker of that pattern. It's not conclusive by any means, but what is conclusive in these murder cases anyway? It's still evidence, though.