Originally posted by The Good Michael
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Mary Kelly. Where Else Can We Look?
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Hello Stephen. Thanks.
Don't know the name off hand. That's why I said "in some stories."
Cheers.
LC
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Originally posted by DirectorDave View PostI've always wondered about a Scottish connection with Mary...the West of Scotland seems a far more likely destination for an Irish family than Wales.
Mike
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Originally posted by lynn cates View PostTwelve angry men? Is that the one where there was a divergent point of view; yet, he kept beating the drum until others saw their intellectual faux pas?
Who is your third next morning witness?
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostChris has probably done more research on MJK than anyone, but Debra Arif, with some assistance from others (myself included), has done quite a lot of research into Kellys in the Scots Guards:
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=6544
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Hello CD.
"is there some practical reason for these inquiries as in giving us possible clues as to who might have killed her?"
Certainly. It helps one see her connections to others.
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LC
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Chris Scott and others have said that the best chance to trace her is probably the brother in the Scots Guards- has anyone had luck with that?
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Originally posted by c.d. View PostI have to say that I don't quite understand this preoccupation with Mary's past. I don't mean for this to sound smart ass but is there some practical reason for these inquiries as in giving us possible clues as to who might have killed her?
c.d.
P.S. Again, I don't mean to offend with this question.
To try to return to the original question: Kelly & whatever family she had are probably on the census SOMEWHERE- the most likely answer is that "Mary Kelly", like "Marie Jeanette" was NOT her birth name. Chris Scott and others have said that the best chance to trace her is probably the brother in the Scots Guards- has anyone had luck with that?
Chris: just how good were the census at the time (1861-91) and how much survives to the current date? Is there much material lost? Also, recently an idea occured to me- perhaps Barnett misremembered or heard wrong and maybe Davies/Davis was Mary's husband's GIVEN name and we should look for a "Davis (or even David) Kelly"?
Another possibility might be, if the Paris story was true, looking for her in French records. How good was the French census at the time and when were they? Would they have included brothel occupants?
I also wonder about the story about Mary hearing that her father was looking for her and 'hiding'. Could it be that when she was told "Mary, your father was by the other day looking for you", she thought "What? Daddy's been dead x years" and getting a description of 'Daddy': "oh, God, it's my stalker- Morganwhatever" and that's why she hid? Speculation, of course, and probably completely unrelated to her murder, but I'm surprised no one has jumped on it for the royal conspiracy or whatever.Last edited by C. F. Leon; 09-11-2013, 04:54 PM.
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I have to say that I don't quite understand this preoccupation with Mary's past. I don't mean for this to sound smart ass but is there some practical reason for these inquiries as in giving us possible clues as to who might have killed her?
c.d.
P.S. Again, I don't mean to offend with this question.
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Hello Stephen. Thanks.
Twelve angry men? Is that the one where there was a divergent point of view; yet, he kept beating the drum until others saw their intellectual faux pas?
Cheers.
LC
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Originally posted by pinkmoon View PostTony Williams found the Kelly family living in Wales in his book "uncle jack "
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Tony Williams found the Kelly family living in Wales in his book "uncle jack "
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Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
Agree about Hitchcock.
There were some stories that had a third witness claiming "MJK" was alive that morning.
Did you ever see Twelve Angry Men? And also The Third Man?
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostI've been doing a bit of checking in the Scotland censuses as those of Wales and England have been so well covered elsewhere. There is a Mary Kelly with 8 brothers and 1 sister. She's only 16 in the 1881 census but her father's name is John as is that of one of her brothers. She wasn't born in Ireland, but her parents and eldest brother were. Her own birthplace is shown as 'Hamilton', so nowhere near Limerick, but only 15.8 miles from the village of Limerigg.
Brothers:
Michael born c.1858
Jas (James?) born c.1860
Hugh born c.1861
John born c.1862
Pat born c.1867
Bernard born c.1868
Thos (Thomas) born c.1873
Peter born c.1876.
The sister (Frances) appears as a 1 year old in the 1871 census only. The same family appears in 1891 but without Mary. The most likely explanation is that she had married in the interim but it's not the only possibility.
Also why would an Irish/Welsh brother be in the Scots guards?
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Hello Richard. Thanks.
Agree about Hitchcock.
There were some stories that had a third witness claiming "MJK" was alive that morning.
Cheers.
LC
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