Mary Jane was murdered between 09.00 and 10.30 am

[Aethelwulf]

Hi Abby,

No one was murdered in Millers Court.

Simon

Simon, read the blurb for your book online. Don't me to be rude, but sounds bloody awful. Given choice I'd plump for Ike's pink soc routine.

[Wickerman]

And that also confuses, you say the name USED by the victim at no 13 was NOT MJK.
Which implies that everyone lied about the name the person living there used.

No, thats opposite Steve, only the victim lied about her name. Everyone else used the name she gave them.

That it was not the real name of the woman, I agree 100% .

I was asking Simon if that is what he means, that it was not the real name, or does he mean something else entirely.

Steve

We all know what Simon means.

[mpriestnall]

FWIW I believe someone was murdered in Miller's Court but it wasn't Kelly.

I understand why "seanr" is somewhat skeptical of the Clayton Street sighting because of the timing, if one accepts the early morning murder time.

On the other hand, it fits very well with Maxwell's, Lewis's and the anonymous women's later sightings of "Kelly".

I am yet to check, but I suspect the description given will fit well with Packer's and/or Schwartz's descriptions.

I'm personally very excited by this sighting because it's consistent with the three aforementioned later Miller's Court sightings and the idea
of the "Kelly" survival theory.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Aethelwulf

No offence taken.

BTW. What is "Ike's pink soc routine."

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi Jon

We do?

Simon

[Aethelwulf]

Hi Aethelwulf

No offence taken.

BTW. What is "Ike's pink soc routine."

Simon

It's my childish attempt to get a rise out of Ike by reffering to his Soc Pill text as he calls it in shorthand as pink soc

[Simon Wood]

Hi Aethelwulf

Ah, got it!

Thanks.

Simon

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,

No one was murdered in Millers Court.

Simon

so the body found at millers court was murdered somewhere else and brought there? or there was no body in millers court at all?

[Wickerman]

As Wick points out Mary Kelly is probably an alias . Mary [ if indeed that was her first name ], possibly had good reason for inventing a back story and name. If Caroline Maxwell was talking to someone else they might have used the alias as well, [ interchangeable identities may have caused confusion for anyone looking for said girls ]. Would that person [ if Maxwell was talking to someone else she believed to be MJK ], then come forward and give their real name ? If she was in fear for herself for whatever reason, I doubt it.

Just a thought, Darryl

Immediately following the murder, in the Sat. morning press we have confused stories about the victim.
One witness even said the victim lived upstairs, and had a child. So, we can see some witnesses were confused as to who had been murdered. Maxwell, must have had her own opinion on who the victim was.

I already mentioned that Maxwell admitted to having not seen Kelly for 3 weeks, and in her police statement she said she had known deceased woman during the past 4 months, at the inquest this changed to 'known her for 4 months', thats not quite the same thing.
Again, to police she said she was on speaking terms with her, but at court she admitted to having never spoken to her, except twice.

Another odd comment at court from Maxwell was, "I took a deal of notice of deceased this evening seeing her standing at the corner of the court on Friday from 8 to half past".
What did she mean by "this evening"?
Maxwell also admitted in court that when she saw the victim with a man at the end of the street, she says, "I saw them in the distance, I am certain it was deceased", they were too far away for her to give a description of them.

Too many inconsistencies, it leaves me wondering if she is trying to salvage her mistake in whom she thought the victim was.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Abby

Your option No. 2.

Simon

[Michael W Richards]

Simon, read the blurb for your book online. Don't me to be rude, but sounds bloody awful. Given choice I'd plump for Ike's pink soc routine.

Dont mean to be rude? C'mon now...Its a given with you.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Abby

Your option No. 2.

Simon

I can say one thing is certain, there are no pictures taken from the courtyard to an open door and a bloody mess beyond it. All the pics are in one room, which we are told is Marys in Millers Court. Just sketches otherwise, and they could have been Bill Sykes room.


Seriously though, you are the first one Ive ever heard to take that dramatic a position on this crime, and knowing you a bit, Im sure its not without some compelling evidence. Looking forward to the details.

[Aethelwulf]

Dont mean to be rude?

Actually it was a joke based on a comment in the accents/language thread.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Michael,

Thank you.

I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Simon

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael,

Thank you.

I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Simon

I have never been disappointed with you Simon. But enlightened by you,.. yes.