Limerick, the Key?

[miss marple]

We don't know that. The problem is an excess of information.

Miss Marple

[JadenCollins]

I'm even prepared to fly to Wales and Ireland to get at the truth.

Ireland's a dead end.

[SuspectZero]

Nieces. How about this one? 1881 census . Mary Kelly age 18 niece of Catherine Mitchell age 50 living at 4 Boundary Place Shoreditch?

Debra have you any Irish born Peter's or John's in the Scots Guards?

Miss Marple

This is the Niece connection I'm tracing now. I can locate a Catherine Kelly who married a James Mitchell and might be connected to John Kelly.

[Debra A]

Debra have you any Irish born Peter's or John's in the Scots Guards?

Miss Marple

Funny enough, MM, I was just looking at the Kelly SG list to see if I could find the Irish born ones in the parish records Robert found.
I've got my beak in St Michan's Dublin at the moment looking for someone non JTR related but I'll crack on with the soldiers later to see if siblings baptisms are also noted.

Meanwhile; there is a John and a Peter born in Ireland in the SG but one was attested in 1892 and the other wasn't born until 1882 and attested in 1904.

[miss marple]

Nieces. How about this one? 1881 census . Mary Kelly age 18 niece of Catherine Mitchell age 50 living at 4 Boundary Place Shoreditch?

Debra have you any Irish born Peter's or John's in the Scots Guards?

Miss Marple

[Debra A]

A good collaboration project would probably be looking through the huge amount of digitised (not transcribed or indexed) Catholic records from Limerick County and City on the link that Robert posted earlier.
If MJK was a Catholic born in Limerick she should be in there, plus there are marriages from the same birth parishes making it possible to trace the women a bit easier too as brides normally married in their birth parishes.

http://registers.nli.ie/

[Scott Nelson]

I'm even prepared to fly to Wales and Ireland to get at the truth.

You should. Others have done so on a whim. I may even do so myself.

[SuspectZero]

I was trying to be helpful but I don't know why I ever bother.

Well that's not something anyone asking to collaborate wants to read (see my earlier plea in this thread). My point was there are a lot of people here lately that attack people on every single thing that gets posted. I'm just trying to get my facts in order before I put something out here so that it stands up to reasonable scrutiny. I'm sorry that you apparently took that personally even though it wasn't directed at you Deb. You seem very knowledgable in this area and I hope we can collaborate if I turn up something that seems interesting.

[Debra A]

No, she's not. I don't want to say yet because I need to dig deeper but this thread is starting to make feel like I'm on board the Flying Dutchman. Anything I signal might be an option is greeted with - not plausible.
I was hoping that others would be joining in to see if we could solve this together but I feel like I'm the only one posting info.
I'm even prepared to fly to Wales and Ireland to get at the truth.

I was trying to be helpful but I don't know why I ever bother.

[SuspectZero]

Is she niece to someone named Ann Kemp in 1881?

Good luck with it anyway, SZ.

No, she's not. I don't want to say yet because I need to dig deeper but this thread is starting to make feel like I'm on board the Flying Dutchman. Anything I signal might be an option is greeted with - not plausible.
I was hoping that others would be joining in to see if we could solve this together but I feel like I'm the only one posting info.
I'm even prepared to fly to Wales and Ireland to get at the truth.

[Debra A]

I understand but I think she may have landed as a servant in her aunts household in England around 1881. I'm trying to backtrack her aunt. If that leads me back to her family I have a link from Ireland to England.

Is she niece to someone named Ann Kemp in 1881?

Good luck with it anyway, SZ.

[SuspectZero]

What I was meaning though SZ is if this Marie was born in Ireland there is probably not much chance of chasing her after her birth if she stayed in Ireland. The first surviving census is 1901, 40 years after her birth.

I understand but I think she may have landed as a servant in her aunts household in England around 1881. I'm trying to backtrack her aunt. If that leads me back to her family I have a link from Ireland to England.

[Debra A]

Deb,
These are the parents of Marie Kelly born in 1863. One of the witnesses at their marriage was Margaret McCarty(sp.)?
I've seen the actual marriage entry.
They were married in 1863 and Marie arrived 9 months and 2 weeks later.

What I was meaning though SZ is if this Marie was born in Ireland there is probably not much chance of chasing her after her birth if she stayed in Ireland. The first surviving census is 1901, 40 years after her birth.

[SuspectZero]

No. If it's an Irish birth record then it's difficult because there are no Irish census records to cross reference anything. There are also quite a few women who might fit if we go outside Limerick.

Here's one that has a coincidental familiarity about it:

Name MARY JANE KELLY
Date of Birth 1 August 1859
Address 15 DORSET ST
Father JOHN KELLY
Mother CATHERINE MURRAY

Sponsor 2 ELIZA COOPER

Deb,
These are the parents of Marie Kelly born in 1863. One of the witnesses at their marriage was Margaret McCarty(sp.)?
I've seen the actual marriage entry.
They were married in 1863 and Marie arrived 9 months and 2 weeks later.

[Pcdunn]

Are folks aware of this?

http://registers.nli.ie/

It's a bit of a Marathon!

I wasn't, and I do appreciate the link. May help me break "the wall" on my father's family history. Thank you!