A Reasonable Suspect...

[Ben]

Maybe he was an accomplished robber, who transformed into a serial killer?

Quite possibly, Fish.

The loathsome "Gainsville Ripper", Danny Rolling, was an accomplished burglar before he upgraded to murder and mutilation of women, although he continued to rob private homes after the murders.

Hi Jake - The only problem with identifying Lis with Blotchy is the significant age difference.

Best regards,
Ben

[Roy Corduroy]

Hi everyone,

The fact the victims were missing jewelry or miniscule amounts of money doesn't include or exclude any suspect, or any suspect class.

It'a a clue to nowhere.

Roy

[Ben]

Not conclusively perhaps, Roy, but it could be observed that a wealthier suspect would be less inclined to risk remaining at a crime scene for a few extra pennies or bits of jewelry.

Regards,
Ben

[Chava]

What that may be Chava is a Patrol Policeman too,...because many beat cops took to attaching rubber from bicycle tires to the soles of their boots to aid in their stealth when out looking for Ripper clues. Remember how Pizers slippers were a big deal, because no-one seems to have heard bootsteps leaving a scene...I think that notion caused the Police to consider being as stealthy as he would have been. Interesting when you consider that in Mitre Square, he would likely be walking out a cobblestone alley when Watkins entered or maybe when Harvey leaves.

I dont know that many did this, but I do know some were said to have done so.

Cheers Chava.

Michael, there's nothing to say the Ripper wasn't a copper. An off-duty policeman is as good a suspect as any. Blotchy certainly wasn't working at the time he picked up Kelly. And, copper or not, quiet shoes would have been a boon to the Ripper. Makes the getaway so much easier. One thing I don't remember Louis Diemschutz mentioning was hearing someone running away across the cobbles...

[perrymason]

Michael, there's nothing to say the Ripper wasn't a copper. An off-duty policeman is as good a suspect as any. Blotchy certainly wasn't working at the time he picked up Kelly. And, copper or not, quiet shoes would have been a boon to the Ripper. Makes the getaway so much easier. One thing I don't remember Louis Diemschutz mentioning was hearing someone running away across the cobbles...

He didnt mention that Chava, nor is it factored into Liz Stride as a "Canonical Victim Interrupted" theories that the approaching cart and horse was travelling on cobblestones...and would be audible from a fair distance away.

Sounds of approach or exits... or the lack of them... is a factor on cobblestones...and in these murders.

Yo to you and LI Chava.

[perrymason]

Not conclusively perhaps, Roy, but it could be observed that a wealthier suspect would be less inclined to risk remaining at a crime scene for a few extra pennies or bits of jewelry.

Regards,
Ben

And it would be very logical to take that position Ben, I agree.

Cheers Mate.

[Roy Corduroy]

a wealthier suspect would be less inclined to risk remaining at a crime scene for a few extra pennies or bits of jewelry.

Hi Ben, Michael,

No I respectfully disagree. Because of the vast number of known serial killers who took jewelry, trinkets, small change from their victims who had no need of it.

Roy

[Chava]

He didnt mention that Chava, nor is it factored into Liz Stride as a "Canonical Victim Interrupted" theories that the approaching cart and horse was travelling on cobblestones...and would be audible from a fair distance away.

It's colder than it looks in LI, Michael! I hope it's warmer at the Beach!

It's true, that horse and cart would have been heard on the cobblestones from a long way away. But there was nothing to suggest it was heading into the yard...

[perrymason]

It's colder than it looks in LI, Michael! I hope it's warmer at the Beach!

It's true, that horse and cart would have been heard on the cobblestones from a long way away. But there was nothing to suggest it was heading into the yard...

Nope...its frigging freezing down here too...

On the part I put in bold, from the direction Diemshutz is coming if his cart and horse were to just pass by the gates, the driver might have been able to see or hear some goings on as he passed, so its not just a matter of whether he knew someone was coming into the yard...its also that he knew someone was coming from a direction that would make any exit out the gates for him very visible.

Hes my thinking....what if BSM meets and kills Liz in the yard,...and is then brought into the club via the yard entrance, and as people gather at the gates inside and outside the yard waiting for cops, he is let out the Berner Street door, which they lock behind him....and starts walking the opposite direction of the gates. And Ill add that the Club members were perhaps reluctant accomplices, not acting to save the man himself, but their club, The Arbeter Fraint, and maybe their movements momentum.

There is a man seen in Church Lane is it?...wiping something with a hanky in a doorway in the alley....sometime after 1am...I believe that would be in the same direction out the Berner St Door.

Cheers "mate"...

[perrymason]

Hi Roy,

I think what youre referring to there are more like Trophies, and they can be parts of a victim or just about any kind of item associated with them. And that may be the case here....for more than just the things taken from their pockets.

Taking the same thing twice in that scenario isnt as likely I think, and for this guy, what would 1.7 uteri symbolically mean that a single one wouldnt have covered?

But the material, non-biological items that we know were taken,.. the rings off Annies finger and the piece of apron from Kate, dont seem to fit a collector need...one may be a pure utility..he discovers he needs a carryall. And Annie had glasses and a glass case left by her as well. I would think the rings might be trophies, he apparently doesnt try to pawn them right away locally...but why bother wrenching "flash" rings from the victim for only a "trophy" if the glasses and case are right there. The rings may have appeared to be of some potential value...the glasses might be traceable so pawning might be risky, but even as a memento, he did not take them.

Its unclear... but for my money at this point I believe the rifling of the victims clothing wasnt specific, and was looking for anything that seemed worth taking for its commercial value or eye appeal. That to me is petty thief-like....like the way villagers would rifle the pockets of dead soldiers on their property during the Civil War...poor desperate people.

Best regards Roy

[Ben]

Hi Roy,

Could you refresh my memory as to which serial killers pinched small change from their victims?

Thanks in advance,

Ben

[Roy Corduroy]

No I can't think of a one.

Roy

[Ben]

I'd say the indications that Jack did precisely that add considerable weight to the premise that he belonged to the impoverished masses.

[Roy Corduroy]

Refresh my memory, what are those indications?

[Ben]

There's evidence to suggest the killer sifted through some his victims' belongings, discarding the obviously valueless items (muslin, pills etc) in the process. Certainly, none of the victims had any cash on their person when their bodies were discovered, and I can't believe that they were all completely penniless when they encountered their killer.