Did the 5 canonical victims know each other?

[Cap'n Jack]

Sending visuals to a blind man is never going to help, Sam, but I appreciate the gesture even when I can't see it.
How many of those dots are prostitutes?
How many pimps?
Do you have a big red dot for Jack 'Carthy?

[Sam Flynn]

I have yet to see any good or valid reason why all of the victims were not known to each other, on a nodding basis where names were known.

Perhaps some visuals might help, AP? This is what Dorset Street looks like today:



I have drawn precisely 825 dots along its length, which is of the order of the number of people living in that street in 1888. You can just make out two yellow dots that represent Annie Chapman and Mary Kelly.

I could repeat a similar exercise for Flower & Dean Street, Thrawl Street and Devonshire Street (St George's East), where the other victims were known to live at the time, but that would drive us all dotty. And that's without the dottiness of the multitude of other streets in between.

[Mr.Hyde]

Thanks Roy.
Motive for GH testimony days after-with MAK dead,GH inherits the "tontine".

[Mr.Hyde]

If she was "dead" in the 1891 census.........

[Roy Corduroy]

Thanks for the reply, Dave

I am looking for a researcher-Riding and London/Whitechapel.
I apologise for "feeding the birds"

No apology needed, Dave, and good luck with your project. Looks like you are gaining some consults already.

Roy

ps You consults. Was the prostitute Mary Ann Kelly in the 81 census ruled out as being the victim? Or not.

[Sam Flynn]

The movements of Nichols prior to her death are pretty well documented, with 56 Flower and Dean Street and 18 Thrawl Street being her last known 'addresses'.

Quite so, John.

Annie Chapman was a resident of 35 Dorset Street. The Nichols and Chapman inquests overlapped considerably. Clerical error?

Probably. Whether it was or wasn't, it was still wrong and - in any case - Kelly had moved out of 35 Dorset Street (or - more likely - the adjacent Paternoster Row) in 1887, ending up in Miller's Court via Brick Lane.

[John Bennett]

I believe the matter of Polly Nichols' death certificate came up on another recent thread.

The movements of Nichols prior to her death are pretty well documented, with 56 Flower and Dean Street and 18 Thrawl Street being her last known 'addresses'.

Annie Chapman was a resident of 35 Dorset Street. The Nichols and Chapman inquests overlapped considerably. Clerical error?

[Mr.Hyde]

I've read your posts.
What do you make of it?

[Jon Guy]

Check out the death certificate.

Hadn`t noticed that before, nice one.

[John Bennett]

Hello John,
It was rumoured that Mjk, was aquainted with Annie Chapman, although only oral history, what you suggest seems logical, however it is quite possible that Mary did mention the fact that the women were known to her, at least to Barnett, just because he does not annnounce it to the media, does not say he was unaware of that, he may have had reasons why he never mentioned it.

'Oral history' can be a dodgy source, Richard. Check out Mary Ann Cox's neice's recollections to Dan Farson about the Kelly murder (in his 1972 book), for example.

However, we have here a case of 'just because it wasn't said, doesn't mean it didn't happen', in which case, anything is possible.

JB

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Hi Mr. Hyde,

Yes I have been reading your posts, including back on the Prostitutes 1881 thread where you posit Mary Kelly was a local woman. Your solution seems to do with the victims knowing each other and their killer, if I read between the lines correctly. Sort of an interwoven situation.

You drop a little bit here, a little bit there. Like feeding birds. Why not start a big post and lay out your scenario to the inth degree? Let the hammer down.

Roy

Thanks for that Roy,
You are right!
I am in a difficult position.
Firstly I'm a newbie and not taken seriously.
Secondly I have a substantial financial interest at stake-not just for myself,but for my screenwriter.
I have explained that in two previous posts.In fact I did so in an email before I joined.Frankly,I am looking for a researcher-Riding and London/Whitechapel.
I believe that after CVs 1 & 2 were murdered,CV5 and then CV4 knew what was going on.Also CV3.Blackmail!That is, the last 3CVs fell in order due to circumstance.
I apologise for "feeding the birds"-think I've been above board though.Reckon most of my posts have been fair dinkum and informative,bit of humor,got roped in a bit this morning.
Probably given away more than most people in my situation.I am 100% sure who JTR was-I could be wrong.
I have specific information that I am after.I am after the truth.Not going ahead with screenplay unless I am damn sure.
Again,anyone with research skills and location are welcome to PM me.Not asking anyone to help for free.
Thanks Again,
Dave.
PS.My scriptwriter has been pretty much extremely interested since August 2008.

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Hi Mr. Hyde,

Yes I have been reading your posts, including back on the Prostitutes 1881 thread where you posit Mary Kelly was a local woman. Your solution seems to do with the victims knowing each other and their killer, if I read between the lines correctly. Sort of an interwoven situation.

You drop a little bit here, a little bit there. Like feeding birds. Why not start a big post and lay out your scenario to the inth degree? Let the hammer down.

Roy

Just spent a fair amount of time replying.Hasn't come up.Really.Will redo later this afternoon.7.20am in the Land of Oz.

Dooh!Don't know what happened-has come up now.Doesn't do much for my credibility!

[richardnunweek]

Hello John,
It was rumoured that Mjk, was aquainted with Annie Chapman, although only oral history, what you suggest seems logical, however it is quite possible that Mary did mention the fact that the women were known to her, at least to Barnett, just because he does not annnounce it to the media, does not say he was unaware of that, he may have had reasons why he never mentioned it.
For instance if Lottie was telling the truth in Kit watkins interview, when she refers to Mary having a bad dream, it is almost certain that Barnett would have been familiar with that occurance, especially as the dream refered to a prophecy of her murder, and he surely would have been the first to have heard of Marys distress, yet no mention was made, again reasons for keeping quite perhaps?.
I am not suggesting that all of the women knew each other, but a possiblity that Mary was aware who they were.
Regards Richard.

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Hi Mr. Hyde,

If Jack was being blackmailed by prostitutes who allegedly knew his indentity, it would seem to imply that Jack was capable of paying them more money than they could get by turning him in and claiming the reward money. Would this not be true?

c.d.

Yes.In the minds of the blackmailers.Think the reward was 100 pounds initially.

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Hi Mr Hyde,

If I was Kelly [one of five prostitutes involved in a blackmail plot], and one, two, three and then four of my number were murdered in gruesome fashion, I think I might smell a rat and be out of Dodge City quicker than Puffed Wheat from a gun.

Regards,

Simon

Possibly why MAK was behind in her rent.Not game to go out.