Did the 5 canonical victims know each other?

[DVV]

I am in a difficult position.
Firstly I'm a newbie and not taken seriously.

Hi Mr Hyde,
and no, that's simply false.
I've seen, and still see, a lot of newbies whose posts and thoughts are seriously discussed on these boards.
You certainly understand how difficult it is to discuss with someone who thinks he knows everything.

Amitiés,
David

JTR may have murdered one student that he mentored.

Think Abberline was credited with mentioning that.Do not pursue me on that-off the top of my head.8.20 am here.

You know there was a murder near Bradford during the Fall of Terror, a young boy was cut in half, stuffed in a barrel and had his shoes stuck in his chest. There were Ripper letters that threatened the killing of a child.

It seemed particularly brutal, and Im guessing in not a highly populated area at that time. I think its largely farm country, or was then, wasnt it?

I do think that type of crime, and the Torso's, and a copycat murder like Alice, stabbing death like Marthas and the gang attacks adds up to plenty of unsavory types, in the area... co-existing. The East End didnt belong to Jack....he was just the most threatening. He was the only one aside from the Torso man that we can safely assume worked multiple times.

Best regards.

[Mr.Hyde]

JTR may have murdered one student that he mentored.

Think Abberline was credited with mentioning that.Do not pursue me on that-off the top of my head.8.20 am here.

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Nicely done Old Sod....Im assuming you enjoyed it as well?

One other thing I did like.....the suggestion that if Jack had killed a man during that period we would never have known it. Nor would they have.

Cheers.

Haven't read it.Just ordered it.Haven't read Sci Fi for yonks.Thanks.
Never know what is in that book.
Some researchers have a term-"Library Angels".You go into a library looking for something and can't find it.Come out with a book anyway-turns out to be what you were after.
Reminds me of a Rolling Stones song.

"All knowledge is self knowledge"-Bruce Lee.

http://www.jackknifethebook.com/reviews.html

Nicely done Old Sod....Im assuming you enjoyed it as well?

One other thing I did like.....the suggestion that if Jack had killed a man during that period we would never have known it. Nor would they have.

Cheers.

[Mr.Hyde]

http://www.jackknifethebook.com/reviews.html

[Sam Flynn]

Ok.....the mudslides are starting...

Indeed, Mike. It's usually the outcome of muddy thinking, or so I've found.

Ok.....the mudslides are starting....change of pace... and thread related, sort of.

Did anyone read Jack Knife last year? It was promoted on the site here a bit, and its a great piece of fiction that paints the Ripper as a time traveler, gone back to collapse the economy of England and rise to power through large gold holdings. I dont recall the author, and Ive got it in a box in storage I believe, but Ill see if I can get her name.

My point is ...she has a scene in the book where all 5 Canonicals meet at the Ten Bells for drinks. Another time traveler after this Jacky fella sits with them.....knowing how each of them dies cause shes read the stories....and for a few minutes has the opportunity to talk with all 5 of Jacks Victims as Unfortunate women in the LVP...and also historical figures.

That scene was magic for me....the thought of actually meeting them as humans, and coupled with the knowledge of their place in history before it had happened.

Its a very romantic notion, and one that for me made me think a little more about individual people rather than cumulative victims.

Its a great read...two thumbs up for a fun adventure.

Best regards all.

[Mr.Hyde]

Way off post-however this is getting as funny as "Harry" and "The Rope".
Sam,you are a mental midget.
A legend in your own tea break.

[Mr.Hyde]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche

[Cap'n Jack]

And there was me, Sam, thinking that your de facto was flapping in the ill wind of an Ipswich alleyway.

[Sam Flynn]

Sam,
8 persons per square mile of modern Ipswich?
I want whatever it is you are taking.

It's called "Facto", AP - a new wonder drug. I heartily recommend it.

[Mr.Hyde]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_thinking

[Cap'n Jack]

Sam,
8 persons per square mile of modern Ipswich?
I want whatever it is you are taking.
You'll be aware, I hope Sam, that there are several reports on prostitution in Ipswich available on the net, published prior to the murders.
These show that the girls were working in exactly the same manner and fashion as the Whitechapel victims.
If you examine the home address of each individual victim in the Ipswich murders you'll find that there is no link between them, but then if you examine their working territory you'll quickly find that they must have known each other, for the pressure of their pimps and the police forced them to work in severely restricted areas, just like the Whitechapel girls.
I don't know why you are so wary of giving these girls a common purpose and fate, to me it seems obvious. That doesn't mean it's a conspiracy, just ripe old life.

I think to be fair to both sides of this coin, as AP suggested there may well be a connection that existed between the 5 women for all we know, its not impossible at all.... and as Sam suggests, its not like they all gathered at the Ten Bells each night then branched off their separate ways either. Theres nothing compelling that we know of that would create a scenario in which we can see that they knew each other...nor is there anything that would prevent them meeting, or having met.

When the population of an area is discussed in relation to this, we would never have all of the local population out in the streets at one time, so those numbers mislead. At any given time after midnight there were indeed lots of people around....but many can easily be identified for their trade that has them out late....prostitutes, butchers, shift workers, Dockers, Slaughterhouse men, market folks...

I dont think any of the women would be lost in a crowd each night and therefore less likely to bump into another of the Fab Five. They whored on the streets in a relatively small area, they all drank, a few were fighters, and some had partners who could have facilitated an introduction to someone they knew.

The bottom line is....and I agree with Sam on this.....we have zero evidence that suggests all 5 might have known each other, and the last way to figure this problem out is by assuming they did and working the theory from there.

If it was that easy I would have had a Canonical Four to work with long ago, and maybe whittled it to three or less by now.

Best regards all.