Did the 5 canonical victims know each other?

[John Bennett]

Don't you think that if the victims knew each other, one of the friends or partners of the latter victims (John Kelly, Joseph Barnett, Michael Kidney, to name the 'closest' ones) would have mentioned something about it?

If you were living with your girlfriend/partner, surely they would have been affected in some way (even if it was just to say "oh heavens, Kathy's been murdered") by the death of somebody familiar to them?

And yet nobody mentioned anything like this.

PS. Apologies if this has been mentioned already.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Mr Hyde,

If I was Kelly [one of five prostitutes involved in a blackmail plot], and one, two, three and then four of my number were murdered in gruesome fashion, I think I might smell a rat and be out of Dodge City quicker than Puffed Wheat from a gun.

Regards,

Simon

[c.d.]

Hi Mr. Hyde,

If Jack was being blackmailed by prostitutes who allegedly knew his indentity, it would seem to imply that Jack was capable of paying them more money than they could get by turning him in and claiming the reward money. Would this not be true?

c.d.

[Roy Corduroy]

Again-amongst my previous posts.

Hi Mr. Hyde,

Yes I have been reading your posts, including back on the Prostitutes 1881 thread where you posit Mary Kelly was a local woman. Your solution seems to do with the victims knowing each other and their killer, if I read between the lines correctly. Sort of an interwoven situation.

You drop a little bit here, a little bit there. Like feeding birds. Why not start a big post and lay out your scenario to the inth degree? Let the hammer down.

Roy

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

I have yet to see any good or valid reason why all of the victims were not known to each other, on a nodding basis where names were known.
I think that concept to be without flaw.
They shared a trade, they lived in the same small area, they drank in the same pubs... and no doubt they served the same customers.
But I fail in regard to a customer blackmailing a prostitute.
Surely it always happens the other way around?

Yep!JTR was being blackmailed.Not the other way round.
Think you got sidetracked by "His Eminence".

[Cap'n Jack]

I have yet to see any good or valid reason why all of the victims were not known to each other, on a nodding basis where names were known.
I think that concept to be without flaw.
They shared a trade, they lived in the same small area, they drank in the same pubs... and no doubt they served the same customers.
But I fail in regard to a customer blackmailing a prostitute.
Surely it always happens the other way around?

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Thanks for the link, I had seen that newspaper story, thought you had something else.

Couldn`t see anything on Nichols and 35 Dorset St?

Interestingly, according to Sugden, Kelly lived down Paternoster Row, which may be where the story of 35 Dorset St comes from as the entrance to Paternoster Row was next to Crossinghams.

http://www.casebook.org/victims/polly.html

Sorry about that-5am here,now.Check out the death certificate.
If you cross reference all 5 CVs and where they lived you will have a fair picture of what I mean.Add in where they drank,etc.

[Jon Guy]

http://www.casebook.org/press_report.../18881110.html
Think that is what you are after.
Again-amongst my previous posts.

Thanks for the link, I had seen that newspaper story, thought you had something else.

Couldn`t see anything on Nichols and 35 Dorset St?

Interestingly, according to Sugden, Kelly lived down Paternoster Row, which may be where the story of 35 Dorset St comes from as the entrance to Paternoster Row was next to Crossinghams.

[Mr.Hyde]

Yep.Aus$8-10 million screenplay.
Honestly reckon I know who JTR was.

[Sam Flynn]

Yes,your Eminence!

You'll go far.

[Mr.Hyde]

Yes,your Eminence!

[Sam Flynn]

Yep-"eminently",etc,etc-that is not your "opinion"?

No - those were facts.

Suggest rereading Paul Begg.

Suggest you read the facts I posted earlier, or - better still - find out for yourself by reading more than one source.

[Mr.Hyde]

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/echo/18881110.html

Think that is what you are after.
Again-amongst my previous posts.

[Jon Guy]

Mr Hyde

"Nichols,Chapman and Kelly are all reported as living in,or frequenting 35 Dorset Street."

Where is it reported that Nichols and Kelly had a connection to Crossinghams ?

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

I looked at the facts and derived an eminently reasonable conclusion from them - it is not my "opinion" at all. I very much doubt that Paul Begg's opinion (which I value highly) is that the victims knew one another, still less that they were embroiled in any conspiracy.

That most of the victims had even a vague connection with Dorset Street at one time or another is, in itself, by no means a fact. There were some 900 people crammed into that street, so it doesn't even follow that they'd have known each other if they'd lived there at the same time - which they emphatically did not.

Yep-"eminently",etc,etc-that is not your "opinion"?Suggest rereading Paul Begg.
May I suggest any more questions aimed at me be done after a review of my postings,particularly very recent ones on this topic.Might take more than 26 minutes.