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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostWell, the only victims who apparently weren't overheard as they were being murdered were Nichols and Eddowes. However, Eddowes was killed in a remote corner of a largely deserted square, and although Bucks Row was residential, Nichols was slain at the remote end of it, somewhat removed from the houses. In both cases, there is a reasonable probability that any cries simply went unnoticed.
However because she was not called to the inquest, it is hard to judge her account, if it was made up, has some have suggested, Baxter would no doubt have exposed it.
Steve
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Originally posted by Monty View PostPoint of fact.
Police beats during the day - 30 minutes. During the evening 15 minutes.
One third of the force patrolled during the day, two thirds at night. Which meant one beat would be split between two constables.
The reason is obvious.
Monty
Steve
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Originally posted by Simon Wood View PostDr. Llewellyn at first believed that Polly Nichols had been murdered elsewhere and her body dumped in Buck's Row.
But the police soon disavowed him of this idea, considering it unlikely that the woman could have entered a house, been murdered, and removed to Buck's-row within a period of one hour and a quarter.
Time-frame courtesy of Emily Holland and PC Neil.
Just has he did on several issues, some of his pronouncements are simply unrealistic from a medical point of view.
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Originally posted by Simon Wood View PostHi Steve,
There is not a jot of evidence to support the contention that Polly Nichols was murdered in Buck's Row.
Morning Advertiser (London), 1st September 1888
"The other theory is that the woman was murdered in a house where she had gone for an immoral purpose, and that she was killed whilst undressed, her clothes being then huddled on the body, which was afterwards conveyed out to be deposited in the street. Colour is lent to this by the comparatively small quantity of blood found on the clothes and by the fact that the clothes are not cut. If the woman was murdered on the spot where it was found it is almost impossible to believe she would not have aroused the neighbourhood by her screams, Buck's row being a street tenanted all down one side by a respectable class of people, superior to the residents of many of the surrounding streets, the other side having a blank wall bounding a warehouse."
There are other, similar, reports.
It's full of journalists opinion, rather than fact.
The report about the quantity of blood found on the clothing for instance is not backed by the inquest testimonies of Spratling and Helson.
We will disagree on this Simon, there is alot of evidence that she was killed where she was found.
No problem, all will be covered in my Book, now due in April.
Steve
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Point of fact.
Police beats during the day - 30 minutes. During the evening 15 minutes.
One third of the force patrolled during the day, two thirds at night. Which meant one beat would be split between two constables.
The reason is obvious.
Monty
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostWell, the only victims who apparently weren't overheard as they were being murdered were Nichols and Eddowes. However, Eddowes was killed in a remote corner of a largely deserted square, and although Bucks Row was residential, Nichols was slain at the remote end of it, somewhat removed from the houses. In both cases, there is a reasonable probability that any cries simply went unnoticed.
Monty
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Dr. Llewellyn at first believed that Polly Nichols had been murdered elsewhere and her body dumped in Buck's Row.
But the police soon disavowed him of this idea, considering it unlikely that the woman could have entered a house, been murdered, and removed to Buck's-row within a period of one hour and a quarter.
Time-frame courtesy of Emily Holland and PC Neil.
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Originally posted by Simon Wood View PostThere is not a jot of evidence to support the contention that Polly Nichols was murdered in Buck's Row.
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Originally posted by Simon Wood View PostHi Steve,
There is not a jot of evidence to support the contention that Polly Nichols was murdered in Buck's Row.
Morning Advertiser (London), 1st September 1888
"The other theory is that the woman was murdered in a house where she had gone for an immoral purpose, and that she was killed whilst undressed, her clothes being then huddled on the body, which was afterwards conveyed out to be deposited in the street. Colour is lent to this by the comparatively small quantity of blood found on the clothes and by the fact that the clothes are not cut. If the woman was murdered on the spot where it was found it is almost impossible to believe she would not have aroused the neighbourhood by her screams, Buck's row being a street tenanted all down one side by a respectable class of people, superior to the residents of many of the surrounding streets, the other side having a blank wall bounding a warehouse."
There are other, similar, reports.
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Sleeping? A possibility, but would it not be more of a task to find a woman who was asleep in a quiet area? I prefer to look at other options, for example, a cut to the throat is a very quick and effortless task with the correct blade. If they were intoxicated or looking for business then judgement would hav been virtually nil.
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Hi Steve,
There is not a jot of evidence to support the contention that Polly Nichols was murdered in Buck's Row.
Morning Advertiser (London), 1st September 1888
"The other theory is that the woman was murdered in a house where she had gone for an immoral purpose, and that she was killed whilst undressed, her clothes being then huddled on the body, which was afterwards conveyed out to be deposited in the street. Colour is lent to this by the comparatively small quantity of blood found on the clothes and by the fact that the clothes are not cut. If the woman was murdered on the spot where it was found it is almost impossible to believe she would not have aroused the neighbourhood by her screams, Buck's row being a street tenanted all down one side by a respectable class of people, superior to the residents of many of the surrounding streets, the other side having a blank wall bounding a warehouse."
There are other, similar, reports.
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Originally posted by Simon Wood View PostIt's becoming more and more obvious [to me, at least] that Polly Nichols was murdered elsewhere and carried to the location where she was found.
Steve
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Originally posted by Simon Wood View PostIt's becoming more and more obvious [to me, at least] that Polly Nichols was murdered elsewhere and carried to the location where she was found.
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It's becoming more and more obvious [to me, at least] that Polly Nichols was murdered elsewhere and carried to the location where she was found.
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