Victim Conversation (off-topic moved)

[Natalie Severn]

I don't know what my friend, Pirate, was referring to, but I'd reckon he didn't spend his evening with math students, because his maths is out and 2 + 2 equals something other than 4. But there's pretty much a pecking order to everything, isn't there? The great thing about scholarly persuits is you earn your place in the pecking order. I've worked hard to earn my place near the bottom, but still above the head of PJ. You don't mean to suggest that smart people should dumb themselves down to suit the lowest common denominator, do you?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I dont think that, no.But its a bit naff to be constantly quoting rank,and stating your place in it and that of others and then placing everyone according to how you,personally and idiosyncratically "rank" people----which is the case with Pirate sometimes.........

[Jeff Leahy]

Pirate Jack,
I would like to know what you mean by saying you are in "less esteemed company"?
Why do you have to constantly rake up some kind of "pecking order"?
Its so uncool that kind of crap hierarchy talk all the time.

Well I certainly wasnt refering to you NAT

I was refering to John Bennett's excellent book launch E1, and its glitter'artie attendence.;..a part from me of course..

Ally I cant beleive you are now trying to make this arguement against Neal Sheldon. Anyone who has ever read his book must surely realize that it is one of the most factual and opinion free books ever written.

Incidently I had the oppotunity of meeting with Kates descendant (at length) and at no piont did she suggest that she was a BAD gt gt gt grandmother

Pirate

[Natalie Severn]

Which had what to do with the fact that her daughter refused to have anything to do with her and moved around several times to avoid her mothers scrounging?


Maybe the daughter was a selfish little ****, Ally.



Might the fact that she had walked out on the family several times prior to that to go on drunken binges have had something to do with him having an affair (which by the way is something he actually denied doing and which is only an accusation made by her father and is not supported by any fact).

Whose "facts" are these? where did you obtain this information?

[Cap'n Jack]

Each and every case, Ally, does show the victims of these crimes as being almost driven to slaughter by the authorities concerned, but you would have it that they were driven to their slaughter by none other than themselves.
This is pure Colin Wilson.
Shame on you.

[Ally]

So the daughter is so selfish she MOVES several times to avoid her mother? Generally people who are that selfish have no problem just saying no.

I don't know Nats, where are the facts that he had an affair? The police reports show the drunken binges.

[Ally]

Right AP. The authorities forced them to open their mouths and guzzle down gin til they were too drunk to support themselves. They forced them to spend their doss money on gin instead of a bed. It's all the authorities fault and these women, poor retarded females that they are, bear absolutely no responsbility for their lives or their own decisions. They were only women after all,. You can't expect anything from them.

[Tom_Wescott]

Pirate is superficial. AP Wolf and Paul Begg are nice to him, and they've published books, so they're rock stars in his eyes and can do no wrong. To love AP and Paul is to hate SPE. I don't know why that is, but it seems to be the case, through no fault of SPE's. Ally and I are Americans, and Pirate hates Americans. He however most emphatically DOES NOT hate homosexuals, having from time to time found solace in their sweet, manly embrace. He's really not all that hard to figure out, except for how he can call himself a journalist when he writes and reads at the level of a first grader.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

Pirate is superficial. AP Wolf and Paul Begg are nice to him, and they've published books, so they're rock stars in his eyes and can do no wrong.

No they simply seem to know what they are talking about

To love AP and Paul is to hate SPE. I don't know why that is, but it seems to be the case, through no fault of SPE's.

Actually I am a great admirer of SPE's, he is a gentleman.

I simply do not agree with his, or Norma's views on Anderson, personally I like them both very much.

Ally and I are Americans, and Pirate hates Americans.

There might be some truth in that if it wasnt for the fact that most of my favourite Ripperologists are American, and the only Ripperologist I would call a hero is also American.

He however most emphatically DOES NOT hate homosexuals, having from time to time found solace in their sweet, manly embrace. He's really not all that hard to figure out, except for how he can call himself a journalist when he writes and reads at the level of a first grader. Yours truly, Tom Wescott

You can ride on my boat anytime big boy It is the nature of Pirates to be camp

Pirate

PS Sceptic Blue is also an American and he is cool even if he talks **** about the marginalia

[Sam Flynn]

You can ride on my boat anytime big boy It is the nature of Pirates to be camp

Hoist the Jolly Roger!!

[Natalie Severn]

So the daughter is so selfish she MOVES several times to avoid her mother? Generally people who are that selfish have no problem just saying no.



Ally, it sounds to me like she was a bit of a brat quite frankly.She was glad enough to ask her mother to assist with the childbirth when she needed her,and when she didnt need or want to be bothered,mother could f off.



I don't know Nats, where are the facts that he had an affair? The police reports show the drunken binges.

If thats so Ally,I would like a more specific reference for these reports,so I can read what they say.Who and when----gave the information to the police about the drunken binges?

[Cap'n Jack]

Tom, a lesson in reality for you, Nobody hates nobody. It is a discussion board where fair views are exchanged for short change.
SPE is a fair and good man but he has little demons like you rubbing his ego, and he uses you like a rabid dog at a safe garden gate where the only person likely to come by is the local vicar, and he is going to be gay, so you are going to be upset anyway.
I think I know what you want.
William Cody in striped stockings and his pistol in is hand.

[Jeff Leahy]

Hoist the Jolly Roger!!

Seaman Stains? Roger the cabin boy!

[Tom_Wescott]

There might be some truth in that if it wasnt for the fact that most of my favourite Ripperologists are American, and the only Ripperologist I would call a hero is also American.

Pretty much all Ripper books by American authors are crap. Essays are a different matter, of course. You have myself, Dan Norder, me, Don Souden, I, Andy Spallek, and of course...

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Who's your American Ripperological hero?

[Jeff Leahy]

Pretty much all Ripper books by American authors are crap. Essays are a different matter, of course. You have myself, Dan Norder, me, Don Souden, I, Andy Spallek, and of course...

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Who's your American Ripperological hero?

I am clearly a massive fan of Don and i met Andy a few weeks ago and I am also a big fan and admirer..

but the book?

Must dash. Good night all

Pirate

[Mr Chumley]

Shades of Grey

I am not sure what the benefit has been, in what started, as debating the various collective emotional responses to these individual's demise.

Humans have a propensity for wishing to categorise and pigeon hole.

Reaction is atypified by
(a) a sense of sympathy or assumed empathy, for what ever reason with a scenario. It would appear from some of the comments that some individuals seek to understand or even profess to have an understanding of living in another period of history, or even country.
(b) an apathetic generallity, "so what", "what ever","never heard of them","not in my backyard-not interested"
(c) a moralising anti position such as "they had it coming", "they were scum"

Whether one falls in any of the categories, does not seem to be a reason for maintaining a "one upmanship" debate on semantics of use of subjects ranging from literal understanding of an adverb to individuals right to an opinion based on their on morality.

It has on occasion painted a colourful picture of some of the lower classes, but does nothing to change the fact that these women, regardless of their social standing and abilities of not being " a good mother", had the unforunate luck to choose a punter/client who had another agenda all together.