A Possible Reason Why Jack Didn't Mutilate Liz

[Victor]

Meaning.....I think there is a better foundation for a murder theory using a jealous rejected lover than a man who cuts strange women open while they believe they are soliciting a client....but I know of no facts that would indicate that Kidney should be considered her killer at this point.

Hi Mike,
I agree that Kidney is a viable suspect for Liz, but I too know of no facts that would make him a better suspect than Jack.

I hedge on names cause I dont have one name in mind for a Ripper, the man I believe killed Mary Ann, Annie, and likely Kate....but I do think some familiar names might be murders during that period, in that location. In fact we know some were. Maybe some killed a Canonical or 2.

So do you think the Torso killer was a 2nd active serial killer in 1888? When you add in the known killers from around that period (eg, the wife killers - Bury and Chapman/Klosowsky plus the 14~ish you've posted previously) that proposing additional killers for Liz\Mary is possibly a step too far?

KR,
Vic.

[perrymason]

Hi Mike,

So do you think the Torso killer was a 2nd active serial killer in 1888? When you add in the known killers from around that period (eg, the wife killers - Bury and Chapman/Klosowsky plus the 14~ish you've posted previously) that proposing additional killers for Liz\Mary is possibly a step too far?

KR,
Vic.

Hi again Victor,

I do think the Torso killer was separate from The Ripper and that he was in fact a serial killer. I do think "Jack" was a multiple murderer, and I think that some other killers we know of killed... probably.... some of those 11-12 women that remained. I bet Sadler killed Coles for example....but I dont believe he was the Ripper. I think Kidney may have killed Liz....again, with the same codicil. I think its possible that Fleming or Barnett or both Barnetts killed Mary, maybe even McCarthy...but same conclusion regarding the Ripper. I believe 2 soldiers ended Martha Tabrams life, one using a dagger or bayonet a single time. Same Ripper conclusion.

Its my opinion that if we are looking at the murder of a woman by a man of comparable ages the first place you would look is into their relationships. Even when the crime seems beyond the capability of someone of sound mind. Both Liz Stride and Mary Kelly had very recently ended long standing relationships with men they had at times quarreled physically with while together. There are some questions I have regarding the true relationship that Kelly and Eddowes had.

Mary Ann was the signal of a new killer that went outside the realm of relationship woes....in other cases, the relationships of killer and prey may have been intimate or as client and service provider, but the guy who killed Mary Ann wanted to do what he did to her corpse...I dont see the act as personal. Nor do I see Hanbury that way.

Hope that provides a little insight into why I take these contrary positions so often.

All the best Victor.

[YankeeSergeant]

Stride, Eddowes and interruption

Hi,

Peter, come on, you mean to tell me that you never tried to pick up a prostitute.

What I mean is alot of the theories involving a hansome cab depend on the fact that the Ripper would of had a hard time killing Stride and then finding Eddowes in such a short time span. If he was indeed scared away by Shwartz the ripper would have had 15 more minutes then if he was interupted by Diemschutz.

Hi cd,

I believe you are correct.

Your friend, Brad

Assuming JtR was interrupted whilst killing Stride (I'm open to the idea of two killers), The question becomes with Eddowes, was she looking for a "client" when she was released from the police station? If she was she wouldn't have required a lot of chatting up.

[Scorpio]

Assuming JtR was interrupted whilst killing Stride (I'm open to the idea of two killers), The question becomes with Eddowes, was she looking for a "client" when she was released from the police station? If she was she wouldn't have required a lot of chatting up.

Hi, i have posted a two killer scenario on my Folie a deux thread, it didnt gather many supporters though. Did you have your own theory in mind ?.

[YankeeSergeant]

Folle a dex

Hi, i have posted a two killer scenario on my Folie a deux thread, it didnt gather many supporters though. Did you have your own theory in mind ?.

Not really I have no bias either way.