Throat-slitting and Stride

[lynn cates]

being particular

Hello (again) Mac.

"Seems Stride was about to get cut up."

What, in particular, causes you to infer this?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

differential calculus

Hello CD.

"That would appear to differentiate her from the others."

Not to mention the other WCM.

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

If the Stride murder had occurred on another night, she would not have been included as a ripper victim.

You think so? Killed in public, at night, 200 yards from Whitechapel Road, in the autumn of 1888, left carotid artery attacked by an unknown assailant? You don't think anyone would have connected this with the Tabram, Nichols and Chapman murders?

[Bridewell]

That should be 200 yards from Commercial Street. Apologies.

[lynn cates]

Smith

Hello Colin.

"You don't think anyone would have connected this with the Tabram, Nichols and Chapman murders?"

Not to mention Smith.

Cheers.
LC

[Errata]

I think it's the timing that makes it compelling. She was murdered hours before Eddowes was murdered. Had she been murdered a week later I don't think the same assumption would have been made. But the timing lends itself to "Jack was interrupted and went out again in order to fulfill his murderous needs". I think in all likelihood, Jack hadn't even left the house yet when Stride was murdered. On of the things Jack had to have was the ability to disengage from a potential victim if the location didn't suit his needs. While Stride was probably close to somewhere that would have worked, clearly she didn't take him there, or she wouldn't have been found where she was. So Jack would have had to disengage. Since she was killed anyway, it's likely not Jack. Or at least not the same Jack. I suppose it could have been him but he cut her throat because she insulted his mother or something.

[c.d.]

Hello Errata,

You seem to be envisioning Jack as a bank robber coolly casing out the joint and planning his avenue of escape. But what if Jack suddenly was overcome with the desire to kill Stride? In that instance, I think passion would override common sense and the ability to disengage be damned.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

self control

Hello CD.

"You seem to be envisioning Jack as a bank robber coolly casing out the joint and planning his avenue of escape. But what if Jack suddenly was overcome with the desire to kill Stride? In that instance, I think passion would override common sense and the ability to disengage be damned."

Indeed. But many theorists have used his survival instincts to explain why there was a three week lull before Kate, and a nine week one before "MJK." On your scenario, such a lull could not be due to self control.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

I have only to mention Stride and you appear as if by magic. Amazing.

Ah but in my scenario Jack is out that night (the double event) with the intent to kill. Who knows what may have set him off and made him select Stride as a victim. There is also know way of knowing how or why he was able to go weeks without a kill.

c.d.

[Phil H]

There is also little to suggest that Stride was a victim of "Jack" - apart from the blinkered view that there could only be one killer on the prowl that night.

On the other hand, keeping Stride out of the reckoning (for argument's sake) and discounting the "double event", opens up new possibilities for the murder of Eddowes. It gives "Jack" more time, for instance -and despite kates facial mutilations, I see no signs of haste or "frenzy", or desperate to find a second victim, in that murder. On the contrary, I perceive a "Jack" very much in control.

Phil

[lynn cates]

self-control--or not

Hello CD. Thanks.

And so there is no way of knowing about his self-control--or lack thereof.

(Actually, Kate interests me a good deal more than Liz.)

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

Agreed. But if we accept the idea that Jack was a serial killer, is it really a leap to assume that his need to kill could be overpowering at times?

c.d.

[Phil H]

But I see no sign that any over-powering urge, lessened his self-control.

Phil

[c.d.]

But I see no sign that any over-powering urge, lessened his self-control.

Phil

Hello Phil,

But that is a possible explanation for why he might pick a location that was not particularly good as to avoid interruption as in the Stride killing or made him more vulnerable to capture (being indoors) as in the Kelly killing.

c.d.

[Phil H]

Surely he would seek a MORE secure spot if possible, not a less?

I think Eddowes led him to the fence in the corner of the square. Exits didn't seem to worry him - No 29 had none.

Phil