Why No Stride Mutilations ?

[Parisi North Humber]

Oh my.....sorry my digitizer is shot and my phone does random things. Liz was gussied up, wether to meet a date or to attract clientele, it doesn't seem likely she was making pretty for Kidney if they have the type of relationship postulated. As such M Kidney could have spotted her and got jelous, could have demonstrated with her about not giving a percentage of her takings or may have not been anywhere near her...I'm open minded on Stride however I don't know if it has been suggested here that caschouk

[Parisi North Humber]

I know as a newbie I'll probably get flamed by more seasoned members especially those with set theories however I do believe the murderer was unsettled (not nessacerrily disrupted) by somebodies coming and goings that night. I'm not sure if Stride was one of JTRs victims, a domestic murder or an act of violence but a couple of points that may or may not have been discussed:
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[Wickerman]

Who was the third one, and where? Anyone want to say?

M.

James Brown - an unrelated murder.

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18881022-name-174&div=t18881022-955

Douglas strongly supports the Double Event theory. He reasons that that two unrelated murders occurring in such close proximity on the same evening would be too much of a coincidence, and therefore that they were both committed by the same hand. So does John Douglas think that John Brown is Jack the Ripper?

Who is John Brown? Brown murdered his wife Sarah on the evening of September 29, 1888. His deed occurred two hours and three miles from the Double Event. Yet you’ll never hear Brown mentioned as a suspect. And rightfully not—just because he committed a murder on the same evening as two others doesn’t mean he committed all three. Location isn’t always a factor in murders. The only thing linking the Double Event is proximity.

https://listverse.com/2014/02/21/10-things-you-probably-dont-know-about-jack-the-ripper/

It's the first story in Evans & Skinner, Ultimate, chapter 7, 2000.

[Wickerman]

For a start, there is a conflict with his testimony and other witnesses testimony which you clearly havent discovered

If he had killed her he had every reason to lie thats what guilty people do to cover up their crimes

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But you seem to be arguing that a guilty person just walks into an inquest in front of police, press & public, risking being identified by any of the witnesses, and just pretends to be innocent. Kidney had no idea who was to show up in court, the idea is ridiculous to say the least.

[Wickerman]

Your quite right Trevor. Smith's description was of a hard felt deerstalker which looked more like a Fedora than the peaked cloth deerstalker made popular by Sherlock Holmes. The others described a peaked cap.

Cheers, George

The odd thing is, there is no such thing as a hard-felt Deerstalker, they are all cloth caps that are folded up to put in a pocket.
PC Smith's original description, published prior to the inquest, was of a hard felt hat, like a Bowler or a Wideawake type.
There doesn't seem to be a simple explanation for the change of hat.

[Mark J D]

... But there was three murders that night all of women who had their throats cut...

Who was the third one, and where? Anyone want to say?

M.

[Abby Normal]

Because domestic murders are more common than random ones. There was no clear suspect in either Liz or Kate's murders, and both of their backgrounds were investigated.

except the ripper- based on sig and MO and a seen suspect wearing a peaked cap at both murder sites.

and theres nothing nada zilch to implicate kidney in strides murder. Its just trevor ignoring the basic facts again and chasing fairy tales.

[Harry D]

But there was three murders that night all of women who had their throats cut, one of which was detected as a domestic why shouldnt one of the others be classified as the same?

If Eddowes had not been killed shortly after Stride how do you think the police would have carried out the investigation, the first person in the frame would have been Kidney. Each murder has to be looked at as a separate murder.

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Because domestic murders are more common than random ones. There was no clear suspect in either Liz or Kate's murders, and both of their backgrounds were investigated.

[Trevor Marriott]

Presumably, because he was spooked by Diemschutz or the noises within the club.

Two women randomly murdered within an hour of each other, less than a mile apart, is too much of a stretch to be unrelated.

But there was three murders that night all of women who had their throats cut, one of which was detected as a domestic why shouldnt one of the others be classified as the same?

If Eddowes had not been killed shortly after Stride how do you think the police would have carried out the investigation, the first person in the frame would have been Kidney. Each murder has to be looked at as a separate murder.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Trevor Marriott]

So did kidney lie at the stride inquest Trevor? Stop dodging the question.

As I keep stating their is a conflict between Kidney and other witnesses you make up your own mind where the truth lays.

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[Harry D]

But the killer of Stride could have carried out the thoat cutting in a matter of seconds, and equally the same length of time to stab her abdomen repeatedly !!!!!!!!!!

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Presumably, because he was spooked by Diemschutz or the noises within the club.

Two women randomly murdered within an hour of each other, less than a mile apart, is too much of a stretch to be unrelated.

[FISHY1118]

For a start, there is a conflict with his testimony and other witnesses testimony which you clearly havent discovered

If he had killed her he had every reason to lie thats what guilty people do to cover up their crimes

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

So did kidney lie at the stride inquest Trevor? Stop dodging the question.

[FISHY1118]

If Kidney had killed Stride it would be reasonable to expect that he would lie about it under oath at the murder inquest. Murderers are not generally known for their honesty when trying to escape the consequences of their actions. That's not to say he did kill Stride, just that not all testimony is truthful. It is thought that JtR was probably interviewed at some stage, and he would obviously not have been forthcoming with the truth at that time.

And that's what I'm counting on , if someone comes out and thinks kidney killed stride then surely they would have to admit he lied under oath based on what he said.

[harry]

What needs to be understood,is what caused theincident between Stride and BS.i acknowledge the person described by Schwartz stopped and spoke to Stride,and that almost immediately afterwards Stride was seen by Schwarts to fall,but what Schwartz didn't or couldn't describe was anything Stride might have said or done.that may have provoked an assault.She may have been the cause of the incident,by action or words that Schwartz did not see or hear.

[Trevor Marriott]

And where and when and by whom did kidney ever come under reasonable suspicion for strides murder back in 1888 ? or is it just now with you in 2022 ?

Your clearly making this little narrative of yours up as you go along . These threads get so polluted with this nonsense far to often .

[Coroner] When did you last see her? - [Kidney] On the ''Tuesday,'' and I then left her on friendly terms in Commercial- street. That was between nine and ten o'clock at night, as I was coming from work.
[Coroner] Did you expect her home? - I expected her home half an hour afterwards. I subsequently ascertained that she had been in and had gone out again, and I did not see her again alive.


'' On Tuesday''' !!!! four days he claimed he didnt see stride for ,and adding to that he didnt see her alive again since then!!!!!! , seriouly think properly about this statement and what it actually means ,use some intelligents for a change. [ill explain it if its too hard]

So all thats left for you to do know trevor is flat out call Michael Kidney, who testified under oath at an official murder inquest........ a LIAR !!!!!!!!

For a start, there is a conflict with his testimony and other witnesses testimony which you clearly havent discovered

If he had killed her he had every reason to lie thats what guilty people do to cover up their crimes

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk