Why No Stride Mutilations ?

[C. F. Leon]

Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.

Setting the bar a bit low there, eh, Herlock?

[Herlock Sholmes]

schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.

Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.

[Harry D]

There were three cutthroat murders that night. One was a domestic incident. The other two were apparently motiveless. Probability-wise, the odds of all three being unconnected must be remote. And while it's an old chestnut, I do suspect the killer compensated for Stride's lack of mutilations when he butchered Eddowes.

[Abby Normal]

But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.

[Trevor Marriott]

except that all the witnesses that night describe a man in a peaked cap including the ones at eddowes scene, pointing to them probably being the same man and considering all the events surrounding the hectic scene of the stride murder location, the change in MO is due to the fact that the ripper was interupted and didnt feel safe continuing with the mutilations. Really Trevor, being a former detective its really quite surprising you continually miss these clues.

But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Trevor Marriott]

hi GB
i think sugden pretty much cleared up who the koz witness was-it was lawende. he found an article about the Koz ID that referred to the witness as the same man who was the witness at the eddowes murder.

But that dosnt make sense seeing as the Met supposedly organised the parade and Lawende was a City witness for the Eddowes murder, and the fact that Major Smith makes no mention of any such parade taking place or any form of positive identification of the killer, and also the fact that no other Met witnesses were involved,

Lawende got no more of a better look than many of the other witnesses

Again it casts a major doubt about the marginalia

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[Abby Normal]

But it makes him a better suspect than JTR based on the differences in the MO

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except that all the witnesses that night describe a man in a peaked cap including the ones at eddowes scene, pointing to them probably being the same man and considering all the events surrounding the hectic scene of the stride murder location, the change in MO is due to the fact that the ripper was interupted and didnt feel safe continuing with the mutilations. Really Trevor, being a former detective its really quite surprising you continually miss these clues.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Jeff,

Maybe we are overlooking the obvious? Was Schwartz Anderson's witness, and he refused to testify at the Inquest against the suspect he was shown, and whom he identified as BSMan, because he was a fellow Jew as indicated in Swanson's memoirs?

Best regards, George

hi GB
i think sugden pretty much cleared up who the koz witness was-it was lawende. he found an article about the Koz ID that referred to the witness as the same man who was the witness at the eddowes murder.

[Trevor Marriott]

Which in no way proves he killed her tho does it ?

But it makes him a better suspect than JTR based on the differences in the MO

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[FISHY1118]

and would also show a propensity of violence towards her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Which in no way proves he killed her tho does it ?

[Trevor Marriott]

Which just as easily could have led to nothing, other than they had a torrid relationship. .

and would also show a propensity of violence towards her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[FISHY1118]

But we dont know if Stride was prostituting herself at that location if she had have been she would likely as not have accosted almost every manv who she came upon, and besides 15 mins is a long time for her to be hanging around that location without a specific purpose, that in itself shows a propensity towards prostitution. Which is what Swanson suggests in his report.

The man seen pushing her to the ground could have been someone she propositioned who took exception to it and pushed her aside to go on his way.

Staying with that report there is one part that causes me concern in relation to Kidney being looked upon as a suspect. I quote from the report "It may be shortly stated that the enquiry into her history,did not disclose the slightest pretext for a motive on behalf of friends or associates, or anybody who had known her"

Clearly they had not done their investigation thoroughly otherwise the charge she brought against Kidney for assaulting her would have flagged up as would their history of their alleged torrid relationship and he would have needed to be investigated further. a missed opportunity

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Which just as easily could have led to nothing, other than they had a torrid relationship. .

[Trevor Marriott]

Not knowing who's who if a policeman is asked to report about a murder,ascertain facts,
and knowing the circumstances he did not include in the report an assault on the victim on the same spot 15 minutes before the body was found,what would you or the higher-ups think about the report?

But we dont know if Stride was prostituting herself at that location if she had have been she would likely as not have accosted almost every manv who she came upon, and besides 15 mins is a long time for her to be hanging around that location without a specific purpose, that in itself shows a propensity towards prostitution. Which is what Swanson suggests in his report.

The man seen pushing her to the ground could have been someone she propositioned who took exception to it and pushed her aside to go on his way.

Staying with that report there is one part that causes me concern in relation to Kidney being looked upon as a suspect. I quote from the report "It may be shortly stated that the enquiry into her history,did not disclose the slightest pretext for a motive on behalf of friends or associates, or anybody who had known her"

Clearly they had not done their investigation thoroughly otherwise the charge she brought against Kidney for assaulting her would have flagged up as would their history of their alleged torrid relationship and he would have needed to be investigated further. a missed opportunity

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[GBinOz]

Anyway, I suppose that's a long winded way of simply restating that we really just don't know why Schwartz isn't at the inquest, but from all we have, it seems he wasn't. And that's about as much as we can say, unless we are willing to read into things more than the evidence allows.

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Hi Jeff,

Maybe we are overlooking the obvious? Was Schwartz Anderson's witness, and he refused to testify at the Inquest against the suspect he was shown, and whom he identified as BSMan, because he was a fellow Jew as indicated in Swanson's memoirs?

Best regards, George

[Varqm]

Not knowing who's who if a policeman is asked to report about a murder,ascertain facts,
and knowing the circumstances he did not include in the report an assault on the victim on the same spot 15 minutes before the body was found,what would you or the higher-ups think about the report?