Where is Liz Stride?

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

Could be. But why the bailment of her velvet cloth and hymnal?

She could have taken them out with her that night I suppose.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Michael

Thats highly unlikely Jon, since she was described by one tenant as wearing her "good evening wear", and since she treated her garment with such care that she thought to brush any lint from her clothing, that seems reasonable. She went to the pub after work with the landlady in the same outfit, but she returned to the lodging house to change for the evening.

All she did was put on her bonnet and cloak when she returned from the pub with Tanner.

There is definitely an outfit that she would have worn to clean rooms, and it would have included an apron.

What is your source for this cleaning outfit, Mike?

Remember, this cleaning job was a one off.
She was helping Ann Mills, the bed lady, to clean up one of the rooms after some men had had been in to whitewash it.

[Michael W Richards]

Only on the basis that the clothes in question happened to be what she was wearing at the end of one particular day? We judge far too easily by modern day and affluent standards...with a limited choice in clothing, and knowing that she might be going somewhere special, she might well have donned her best for an afternoons work...

Amongst unfortunates, could she really and truly be expected to have a special set of rags, incredibly special, to be worn ONLY on special occasions like a date?

Bollocks and tosh...

Dave

I don't know about any "tosh" Dave,, but I do know that Liz Stride is an anomaly within the Canonical group in another way, she is known to have been working, we can assume steadily, for some months prior to her murder.

We also know that she had just ended what had at one time been a contentious relationship and that she was said to have disappeared for months at a time to be with other men. She has also had a fairly steady record of having someone in her life since being in London.

Its the cumulative data Dave.

[lynn cates]

perhaps

Hello Dave. Thanks.

Well, might be right.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Only on the basis that the clothes in question happened to be what she was wearing at the end of one particular day? We judge far too easily by modern day and affluent standards...with a limited choice in clothing, and knowing that she might be going somewhere special, she might well have donned her best for an afternoons work...

Amongst unfortunates, could she really and truly be expected to have a special set of rags, incredibly special, to be worn ONLY on special occasions like a date?

Bollocks and tosh...

Dave

[lynn cates]

clothing

Hello Dave. Thanks.

Of course, it has been argued that those were her usual clothes.

Cheers.
LC

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Mike

She was wearing the same clothes that she did the cleaning with that afternoon.

Thats highly unlikely Jon, since she was described by one tenant as wearing her "good evening wear", and since she treated her garment with such care that she thought to brush any lint from her clothing, that seems reasonable. She went to the pub after work with the landlady in the same outfit, but she returned to the lodging house to change for the evening.

There is definitely an outfit that she would have worn to clean rooms, and it would have included an apron. You may want to suggest that we dont know if she left any clothing at the lodging house, other than the fabric piece, which is true....but we do know that she would have worn an apron to clean a room, and we dont hear of her carrying it with her. She was, after all, a woman working in that occupation...and she had been, off and on, since her days in Sweden.

Cheers

[Cogidubnus]

Quite Lynn

She's not paid for her doss in advance (despite being in funds)...she's "dressed in her best"...she's recovered her two most treasured items (hymnal and cloth) and placed them safely out of Kidney's reach, she's (unusually) wearing flowers, carrying cachous (not that cheap even then), and according to witnesses in the pub earlier that night, in high amorous spirits with a gent...she's turned down at least one possible punter...how can she be anything but on a date? (And pursuant to that, in the process of ditching Kidney).

Whether or not that's in any way relevant to her killing, I'm convinced that's what was going on that night

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

going bail

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Could be. But why the bailment of her velvet cloth and hymnal?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

attire

Hello Mike. Thanks.

Of course, she would not likely be working as a char person whilst wearing flowers?

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

She did NOT pay her doss, though able. A fact pointed out at inquest.

Perhaps a glimpse into her thinking that night?

.. that she`d prefer to spend the money she had and worry about paying for her doss at the last minute.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Mike

...but she was also found later wearing clothing and with accessories that suggest she had a social meeting of some sort arranged for later that night.

She was wearing the same clothes that she did the cleaning with that afternoon.

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Caroline.

"You need to address this to DRoy and Lynn, who both suggested that Stride had booked and paid for a bed that night before hitting the streets."

Where did I suggest this? Quite the contrary. She did NOT pay her doss, though able. A fact pointed out at inquest.

Perhaps a glimpse into her thinking that night?

Cheers.
LC

Lynn,

In my absence thanks for addressing the comment made by Caz.....I have always maintained that the fact that Liz did not pay for her bed before leaving the lodging house, confirmed by the landlady at the Inquest, while she was in possession of the money to do so, could indicate that she had other plans for that night....but that they may have been hopeful rather than confirmed. The reason I say that is because she did not state definitively that she would not be returning that night...but she was also found later wearing clothing and with accessories that suggest she had a social meeting of some sort arranged for later that night.

She is found without alcohol in her system, neatly dressed and fully covered, with the mints and the maidenfern. Since she seems to spend some time lingering around the club after 12:3o my suspicions are that she was waiting for someone to come outside, or possibly she was waiting for someone to return. Which could indicate a client for her cleaning services, she was at that time at work "among the Jews"...or a date.

Cheers

[lynn cates]

doss

Hello Caroline.

"You need to address this to DRoy and Lynn, who both suggested that Stride had booked and paid for a bed that night before hitting the streets."

Where did I suggest this? Quite the contrary. She did NOT pay her doss, though able. A fact pointed out at inquest.

Perhaps a glimpse into her thinking that night?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

unison

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Hmm, we are thinking alike. you should be concerned. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC