Was Stride Really a JtR Victim?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Phil

Me thinks someone would enjoy counting your money. And a gang? Maybe some anarchists? Heh heh. Couldn't resist. Apologies.

[Phil H]

cts2914, welcome to Casebook.

Stride was killed by a local gan

I too have a strong suspicion that Stride was not a Ripper victim - but my money would be on Kidney (her former lover).

Can you please explain a little more about you thinking re a gang? I'm interested.

Phil

[DVV]

Hi CTS

Welcome.
And thanks for that info.

[cts2914]

I was wondering what percentage of a chance others of you would give that there actually WAS a double event, i.e. that both Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddows were killed by JtR. I am willing to go 60% against Stride being a victim. As audacious as JtR seemed to be, I think he would have risked at least one abdomen slash regardless of the chance of being caught. After all, there is the timing of the Kate Eddows murder and mutilation between PC's walking a set beat.

God bless

Darkendale

Stride was killed by a local gang

[DRoy]

Mike,

Mortimer thought she should have heard a scream. She was also shocked that Diemshitz's wife didn't hear anything. Maybe it wasn't that loud at the club that night.

Cheers
DRoy

[The Good Michael]

On the other hand, Eygle's testimony at inquest includes, "Had a cry of 'Murder' been raised he believed they would have heard it, or even any other cry of distress." ("Ultimate" p.141.)

'believed' he would have heard it. Not so strong. Anyway, we know she screamed from Schwartz' statement. If we choose to believe it...and I do.

Mike

[lynn cates]

Eygle

Hello Michael.

On the other hand, Eygle's testimony at inquest includes, "Had a cry of 'Murder' been raised he believed they would have heard it, or even any other cry of distress." ("Ultimate" p.141.)

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Droy,

What the coroner asked and the answer:

[Coroner] But why did she not cry out while she was being put on the ground? - She was in a yard, and in a locality where she might cry out very loudly and no notice be taken of her.

Mike

[lynn cates]

concur

Hello Jon. Thanks for posting that.

I tend to concur.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

"To sream or not to scream."

Hello Caroline. Thanks.

Then it was loud, but could have been louder?

Was it loud enough for Krants to hear in the printing office?

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

Caz,

The problem with saying that it was at least a little loud is that nobody claims to have heard it. Yes there was music from the club but did it drown out the three screams?

In my opinion it's one more piece of Schwartz that nobody can verify and doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe the screams weren't loud because there was no three screams.

Cheers
DRoy

[Jon Guy]

Just tidying up some of my own loose ends..

Why is it not mentioned in the Star on the 2nd Oct, the day after it was received at the CNA?
When do the Star eventually write about Saucy Jack ?

Having now referred to Evans/Skinner "Letters From Hell", The Star mentioned the C.N.A receiving Saucy Jack on Oct 1st, referring to it as a joke from someone.

[caz]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Yes. It is possible to scream at different levels of volume, just as we can shout at various volume levels."

Quite. But ALL volumes for a scream are loud.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

"...the woman screamed three times but not very loudly."

I don't really see your problem because you usually have no trouble with the English language. The above statement qualifies the loudness of the screams; it doesn't deny they were loud.

You might have had a point with:

"...the woman screamed three times but not loudly", or "...the woman screamed softly three times."

In short, the screams were loud, just not loud enough to make one's ears bleed.

I doubt the 'three times' would have been misinterpreted/mistranslated, so to me there is a ring of truth about this - not a very loud ring, but loud enough.

Love,

Caz
X

[lynn cates]

perception

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"I think we can assume the mentioned were more valuable than those not again mentioned."

Or perhaps, PERCEIVED as such.

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

Lynn,

That's true but which witnesses (whether named or not) are mentioned and written about later? I think we can assume the mentioned were more valuable than those not again mentioned.

Cheers
DRoy