Diemschutz arrival

[Monty]

Šementia seems to be setting in early for you Ed.

I was bang on topic until you decided to try and inject a lil humour. It was you who decided to pour scorn over my post and, inturn, derail the thread.

I won't have you pulling a Phil Carter here, no matter how much you enjoy it.

Monty

[Lechmere]

Housewives choice? More like the thinking women's crumpet.
Don't know about Cross but Charles lechmere is a sure bet for the double event. Stride and eddowes - to bring you back on topic as you constantly seem to be trying to derail threads lately.

[Monty]

Soiled myself?

Oh no no no Ed, the excrement I wade through is purely Cross defecation.

As for odds, seeing as you back Cross, I think your backing is purely limited to the housewifes choice.

Monty

[Lechmere]

Now you have soiled yourself, could you tell me the name of your bookmaker - the prices he has given you are very odd indeed.

[Monty]

Yes Monty - I was open mouthed at your conversion to conjecture based 'Ripperology'. Very perceptive.

Indeed. However my odds are greater that the Cross as the killer idea.

Otherwise I wouldn't have dirtied my shoes on crossing to the other side of the field.

Monty

[Lechmere]

Yes Monty - I was open mouthed at your conversion to conjecture based 'Ripperology'. Very perceptive.

[DVV]

Hi DVV, actually JM did 7, however the 5 in London yes.

Ah, ok. I stand corrected.
Thanks Miakaal

[miakaal4]

Hi Lynn,
Yes I think the list shrinks considerably, and of course Maybrick will still be on it.But who else?
Hi DVV, actually JM did 7, however the 5 in London yes.
Hi Abby,
Well we are in agreement there more or less. I think the killer may have even chosen to cross into City police territory on purpose too, the man was a real fox. But what a character! He meets Eddows with his knife barely dry, and manages to get her alone, in a very dark place, and strangle, slit the throat, mutilate and remove organs, in, if everyone is right, about 8 minutes?

[Monty]

Hello hello hello, what's going on 'ere then?
Monty engaging in speculation - mere conjecture?

For what it's worth I largely go along with Abbey's construction although I take as a starting point that ALL witness statements relating to so-called Ripper sightings (or 'hearings') are inaccurate, totally false, relate to someone else, Are subject to recreated memory, are influenced by hysteria, or driven by a desire to 'be involved' and are hence useless in helping to build a case or determine what happened. One or two may be broadly accurate but working out which Ones they are is impossible.

Indeed Ed,

Close your mouth, you look like a Goldfish.

Monty

[DVV]

Hi Lynn.
C5, of course. Maybrick only killed 5. A pity when compared to Sickert.

[Lechmere]

Hello hello hello, what's going on 'ere then?
Monty engaging in speculation - mere conjecture?

For what it's worth I largely go along with Abbey's construction although I take as a starting point that ALL witness statements relating to so-called Ripper sightings (or 'hearings') are inaccurate, totally false, relate to someone else, Are subject to recreated memory, are influenced by hysteria, or driven by a desire to 'be involved' and are hence useless in helping to build a case or determine what happened. One or two may be broadly accurate but working out which Ones they are is impossible.

[lynn cates]

C5

Hello Miakaal. Thanks.

Killer of? If you mean the C5, I am inclined to say that the list is close to zero.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

The Casebook notes on Stride, discuss the idea that upon the arrival of Diemschutz, the Ripper took fright and hid, until the startled man left to get help, and then made off into the night. This is all very plausible and I do not doubt that is what happened. My question here is, would have someone in the middle of an uncontrolled and frenzied attack, been able to check themselves, refrain from attacking whoever disturbed them, (as pehaps a mad dog would) and leave? Does this not in fact point to a controlled mind who's determination not to be caught out weighs continuing his homicidal careering?
I feel his thought processes and methods of not being caught could say much about who he was.

Hi Mia
Good questions. (I preface my response that IMHO JtR was probably Strides killer)
First of all, if the attack on Liz could be considered "uncontrolled and frenzied" then i think it could possibly be in so much that with Israel Schwartz
story(I beleive his story is probably accurate for the most part and he saw the Ripper attacking Stride initially), we have the ripper who momentarily loses his temper because of the time and perhaps money he had spent on Stride(note the large amount of witnesses- and the long time frames- that may have seen stride and the ripper) in trying to convince her to accompany him to a secluded spot and as a result assaults her in a more public spot in an act of anger.

Secondly
The ripper may have been interupted by Diemshitz arrival and hid in the shadows until Diemshitz went into the house to find help and then fled. In my mind a more likely scenario is that the ripper after cutting strides throat, fled before he did any mutilations, because he was "spooked" by Schwartz and the scene it caused, and bolted before Diemshitz arrived.

Finally
All the evidence seems to point that the ripper was a very cunning, perceptive and street wise killer that was smart and aware enough to always avoid (barely it seems) being caught in the act as well as staying one step ahead of the police. And as the case with the double event and Stride, besides the momentary loss of temper where he assaults stride in the open, again exemplifies this by realizing that Scwartz or pipeman may be returning with help shortly so he better skiddadle. Eventhough he has not fullfilled his true desires with being able to mutilate Stride, he realizes the risk and runs away to "fight another day". Unfortunately for Eddowes another day was only an hour away.

And thus only a short time after attacking Stride, he is able to compose himself enough, so that when Lawende and co see him and Eddowes, she is comfortable enough to be speaking close to him with her hand gently upon his chest.

Hardly the actions of an unintelligent, out of control or "crazy" killer.

[miakaal4]

Hi Lynn,
Suspected of being the killer. It seems that most of the suspects on the Casebook suspect list have all more or less been cleared for some reason or another. If the "definately could not have done it" suspects were taken out of the ring, how many would that leave?

[lynn cates]

Suspects, always lookin' for suspects.

Hello Miakaal. Thanks.

Suspected of what and by whom?

Cheers.
LC