Diemschutz arrival

[miakaal4]

How many of the suspects listed on this board are actually suspects? Lynn you have got me all confused now!

[Monty]

Ok,

Well if an interruption did occur the interupters timing was spot on.

Monty

[lynn cates]

Don't be negative.

Hello Neil. Negative? One should NOT be negative--not ever. (heh-heh)

Actually, this makes good sense. If, however, one needs an interruption for a theory to fly, what about the side door? Seems much more likely than Dimshits.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

It is most likely Strides killer was not disturbed by Diemshitz, and that mutilations were not on the killer agenda.

And due to that, the idea Nichols and Chapmans killer did for Stride is doubtful.

Oops, theres me....being all negative again.

Monty

[lynn cates]

violent

Hello Miakaal. Thanks.

1. Kosminski does not have "violent" indicated on his chart.

2. Druitt, so far as we know, was a mild mannered school teacher.

3. Ostrog was a silly billy con artist.

But, as the saying goes, anything is possible.

Regarding the violently insane, one may wish to make heavy weather out of Martin Fido's Kaminski/Cohen character. May have to give up on cunning, though.

Cheers.
LC

[miakaal4]

Lynn I laughed my head off, thanks for that, i loved the tart eg.
I thought, Kosminski, Druitt, and Ostrog were all mad women hating violent types? I have seen someone who I know to be very aggressive, lose it, and be unable to stop the attack, and when we tried to intervene he attacked us too! Okay we didn't catch him, in that sense but we did try to interupt him, if you get my meaning. I am inclined to believe that the killer was thoughtful, planning and not a genius but not stupid either. he was also very lucky.

[mariab]

Phil, I don't know if keeping Stride into the frame is a hallmark of traditionalism (almost a swearword in our world), but I have an idea that her decanonization could well be nothing but mere iddle deconstruction.

Hey, we finally have a term for the 2 + 2 + 1 theory! "Ripperological deconstructionism". (Seeing this, Lynn? Cough.) Thanks David.

PS.: Lynn must have read by mind, as he posted here a min. ago...

[lynn cates]

conflation

Hello Miakaal. Thanks.

"Well Lynn I was supposing that it was a JtR attack."

Very well--no problem. But of those who believe in "JTR" not all agree that he was a violent maniac. Some see him as cunning and stealthy.

"Given that there are strong suspects of being Jack, who were considered violently insane . . ."

It would be helpful to name names here. I have never seen a strong suspect for "JTR," let alone, one one was also violently insane.

". . . I was wondering if this control, hiding, not striking out, would be possible for those people."

Ah! Now I see what you are on about. You are asking if a violently insane criminal--as some believe "JTR" to have been--could also be the cunning, stealthy lad--whom others believe in?

From my point of view the answer is the same as for the following question. "Can a substance composed chiefly of calcium carbonate and whose main purpose is to leave a white mark upon slate also emit a tart flavour due to its being made out of fermented mild parts?"

The answer is "Yes"--provided, of course, that one conflates chalk and cheese.

Cheers.
LC

[kensei]

I seem to recall that BTK- Dennis Rader- was surprised in the act of attacking one of his female victims by a man and struggled with him and wounded him. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

On Liz Stride, I happen to be a traditionalist who counts her as a Ripper victim. I don't think Pipeman was an accomplice, I think he was just another innocent bystander who was fleeing in Diemshutz's direction and Dieumschutz only thought he was chasing him. I think Diemschutz's description of Liz's attacker is similar enough in a very general way (dark overcoat, peaked or deerstalker cap) to be describing the same outfit also described by witnesses to the prior moments in the Chapman and Eddowes murders, and ok, so Diemschutz didn't speak English. Is that so big a problem? With the large Jewish population in the East End, wouldn't the police have been sure to have reliable translators on hand?

[miakaal4]

What an incredible tale the JtR crimes are. You couldn't make it up! The one time someone is there possibly seeing the killer, and he cannot speak English!
The police seemed pretty certain that this was another JtR murder. It seems to me, that it is more likely than Tabram or Smith.

[Lechmere]

Yes it is rare, to the point of never happening, for an attacker of women to turn on an able bodied man.
South of Whitechapel Road need not of course be outside a potential 'Ripper's' territory.

[Fisherman]

There are examples of serial killers who have attacked couples with the aim to get to the woman. But then they have known from the outset that an obstacle in form of a man had to be overcome. I know of no example where a serialist have been surprised by am man, but I do know of one example where a woman came upon a scene where a serial killer had already attacked a woman. In that case (David Carpenter, the Trailside killer), the second woman was also overpowered by the killer, who raped her and shot her to death.

The best,
Fisherman

[Barnaby]

To the original question, although we see this sort of thing in the movies, have there actually been instances where a serial killer - let's say of women - gets caught in the act by a man and then proceeds to attack the man? My gut feeling is that they would try to flee and strike only if necessary to do so.

[Tom_Wescott]

It's nice to see my work mentioned, even if it is by my ever-plugging editor. Thanks, Don.

And Phil, let me know what you think of it after you read it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil H]

I must read it.

Phil H