Diemschutz arrival

[Fleetwood Mac]

Unless you subscribe to the contemporary view that the killer was interrupted and carried out the intended mutilations on a second victim. If the killer was BS man then interrupted he certainly was on at least one occasion. If there was indeed no intention to mutilate Stride, however, the two possibilities seem to me to be:

(1) Different killer.
or
(2) Same killer, but different motive.

(1) is more likely, but (2) cannot be discounted.

Wonder why the killer felt so safe at such a risky location.

Regards, Bridewell.

I don't think it's a case of feeling safe.

What other option did he have? Where else could he have gone with a prostitute? Only a dark spot just off the street.

I doubt very much that he just wanted to cut her throat. Having said that, Cutbush was happy enough just, and I say just in this context, stabbing a few in the back before merrily jogging off down the street.

How many other people were knocking about going with prostitutes in dark spots before cutting their throats and wandering off content with a job well done? How many domestics happen in a dark spot off the street? We know there was a fella knocking about going with prostitutes into dark corners and slitting their throats. Odds are it was Jack.

[Bridewell]

We know there was a fella knocking about going with prostitutes into dark corners and slitting their throats. Odds are it was Jack.

I agree.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Michael W Richards]

How many other people were knocking about going with prostitutes in dark spots before cutting their throats and wandering off content with a job well done? How many domestics happen in a dark spot off the street? We know there was a fella knocking about going with prostitutes into dark corners and slitting their throats. Odds are it was Jack.

Hi Fleetwood,

If you assume that the killer known as Jack the Ripper was content with a slit throat as "a job well done", then I can see why you would assume that Liz Stride fits with that kind of killer. Since the killer was given a nickname before the murder of Stride by the person who penned Dear Boss, one might think that the most relevant aspects of the WM crimes to the general public was that he "ripped" the woman open after the throat cut.

Since we dont know why Liz Stride was where she was when she is attacked and killed, and since we do know that Liz Stride had told her landlady that she was "at work among the Jews" recently, likely as a charwoman or maid, and that she in fact worked cleaning rooms that afternoon for her, assumptions that she was prostituting herself at that time seem unconvincing. Much of the circumstantial evidence points to an anticipated social encounter, the cashous and the flower on her breast are 2 points within that framework.

I would also add that a dark spot mere feet from a lit street isnt really a "dark corner", a dark corner could have been found though, much farther back in Dutfields Yard.

Why is really the only valid filter,.... not How, or with What, or Where,...and the only way we can determine a possible Why in the case of Strides murder is to set aside a knee jerk mad serial killer pat answer.

Based on the evidence, not assumptions, Liz Strides killer intended to injure her severely and most probably kill her. Thats all.

And murderers like that were common among the murderers of the period.

Jack wasnt the only man brandishing a knife and/or cutting women, or killing them. He was the only one cutting their bellies open after he killed them.

Cheers

[Fleetwood Mac]

Jack wasnt the only man brandishing a knife and/or cutting women, or killing them. He was the only one cutting their bellies open after he killed them.

Cheers

Hello Micky,

The above is probably the crux of it.

Go on then, who else was cutting prostitutes' throats in dark corners in East London in 1888?

[lynn cates]

episteme

Hello Mac.

"We know there was a fella knocking about going with prostitutes into dark corners and slitting their throats. Odds are it was Jack."

Really? How do we know this?

Cheers.
LC

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hello Mac.

"We know there was a fella knocking about going with prostitutes into dark corners and slitting their throats. Odds are it was Jack."

Really? How do we know this?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Simple deduction.

The number of murders around that time suggest one person knocked a few off.

Plus, similarities in execution.

[Bridewell]

The Cleaner?

Since we don't know why Liz Stride was where she was when she is attacked and killed, and since we do know that Liz Stride had told her landlady that she was "at work among the Jews" recently.

A thought just occurs to me (always dangerous in my case, as you never know where it may lead!). Might Liz have been employed, on a casual basis, to work as a cleaner at the IWMEC? If so, she could have been waiting for the last few punters to leave so that she could start work.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

inference

Hello Mac. Thanks.

Deduction? Are you quite sure? Looks more like induction to me.

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

Hello Mac.

"We know there was a fella knocking about going with prostitutes into dark corners and slitting their throats. Odds are it was Jack."

Really? How do we know this?

Cheers.
LC

From the fact that prostitutes were found in dark corners with their throats slit?

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

M R

Hello Colin. You should chat up Mike Richards.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Quien?

Hello (again) Colin. Thanks. But how do we know it was "Jack"?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Can someone tell me why, if this was not a JtR kill, he did not stab Liz in the chest/heart or throat? Why the grief of a throat cut? If she was struggling or making a noise would killer not just put his hand over her mouth and stab?

Neither Coles nor McKenzie were stabbed in the manner you describe, do you think they were also victims of Jack the Ripper?

Regards, Jon S.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Colin. You should chat up Mike Richards.

Shame on you, Lynn. What did Colin do to you to deserve that sort of advice?

As for this notion that there were many men wandering around slashing throats in 1888, it's not true. There were one or two Rippers, and then a bunch of husbands who'd cut up their wives, rarely even killing them. Stride was not a domestic murder and it took only one controlled cut to the throat to kill her.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[curious]

A thought just occurs to me (always dangerous in my case, as you never know where it may lead!). Might Liz have been employed, on a casual basis, to work as a cleaner at the IWMEC? If so, she could have been waiting for the last few punters to leave so that she could start work.

Regards, Bridewell.

Hi, Bridewell,
Haven't talked with you in awhile.

I'd never thought of her cleaning the club before. It's possible, but her appearance suggests to me a social occasion instead of waiting to go to work. The clothes brush, the flower, the breath sweetners . . . more social, I think.

Plus, would she have told the doss house/or person to whom she gave the green velvet to hold that she would not be back that evening?

Unless, she expected to be busy until around breakfast time?

How would those things fit together? Do they?

curious

[lynn cates]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

I'm still trying to figure out Rob's thesis about a club member or attendee.

If Schwartz has told the truth, then he and Liz could have an altercation where they go arguing into the yard, after IS and PM run off. He dips into the side door for a couple minutes. When he comes out, she's still there and they resume their argument.

Might work.

Cheers.
LC