Diemschutz arrival

[lynn cates]

severance

Hello (yet again) Jim.

"I am no medical expert and for all I know blood could still flow 15 minutes after the wound was inflicted?"

Please to recall that her carotid was not severed as Polly and Annie's were.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

aside

Hello (yet again) Jim.

"feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that the timing suggests it was Dimshits approach that disturbed the killer."

If Liz was cut at 12.45--as per the "Arbeter Fraint" article, and Dimshits emerged at 1.00 . . . well, it would require a 15 minute reverie to fit.

What about an interruption at the side door? No evidence for such, but surely it fits better?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello Christer.

"One thing that relates to this is that all victims had their necks cut to the bone - save Stride."

Slight correction. Kate was cut to the cartilage.

Cheers.
LC

[Spring heeled Jim]

Hello yet again Lynn lol Where would I find your reenactment? So your of the opinion he did subdue her, with one hand, then inflicted the neck wound?

Irrespective of the details though do you think he was interrupted/disturbed?

[lynn cates]

broke

Hello Miakaal.

"Was this a men only place by the way?"

No, women could attend.

"But her appearence could also mean that she wanted to attract a customer, and was waiting outside the club because she knew lots of half drunk dudes would be coming out, feeling the itch."

Unfortunately (no pun intended), they were impoverished anarchists--for the most part.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

re-enactment

Hello (yet again) Jim.

"And in my mind relating to the killing itself I feel that whoever subdued her would have used two hands. Do people agree she was subdued prior to the neck cut? And if yes that this in all likelihood required the killer to use two hands?"

But see my re-enactment in which one hand is used.

Cheers.
LC

[Spring heeled Jim]

Hello Lynn do you think that she was subdued prior to having her throat cut?

If yes do you think the killer used two hands?

Impossible to say yes or no to either definitively I know but whats your opinion?

I think the answers to these questions are very relevant ion relation to the initial posters question regarding Dimshits arrival.

And I can't argue with your idea regarding the location as no facts are available to disprove your idea but what I will say is that in my opinion if you were going to try and set up the people in the club via a murder that makes the location even dicier.

And Lynn could you point me in the direction of Blackwells take on things thanks

[lynn cates]

Blackwell

Hello (again) Jim.

"I am sure I have read somewhere on here recently a statement regarding the manner in which Stride was cut and the officials/dr's opinions on her positioning when the neck wound happened"

You did indeed. That was Dr. George Bagster Phillip's take.

As an alternative, have a go at Dr. Blackwell and his 2-3 second thesis.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

agreed

Hello Neil.

"I feel in was more a manipulation, a pulling of Stride via her scarf into position than a strangling."

Good grief! We agree again.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

location

Hello (again) Jim.

"And if premeditated and not JTR then why such a dicey location?"

Put simply, if one wishes the club closed (sworn enemy) then what better motive than a dead body adjacent and a cry of, "See, told you this would happen, unless you closed the club and sent those anarchists back whence they came!"

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

George Lewis

Hello Tom.

"However, it's also possible that she was killed by a different man than was Eddowes, and the two were working in tandem."

That was George Lewis' position. He was nigh on certain of it.

Cheers.
LC

[Spring heeled Jim]

Hello Lynn thanks for the welcome. Without wishing to swerve the thread away from it's initial point re Dimshits arrival I have to say that the impulsive throat cutting would strike me as odd.

Surely if it was a spontaneous rage anger type attack the presumed initial subduing via hands would have been the spontaneous act and to then produce a knife would imply some kind of planning?

I still would like peoples opinions on whether they think she was subdued first and if so were two hands used?

I think getting a general opinion as to how she was killed would actually go some to then being able to form an opinion if there was an interruption of the killing or not.

Hope that made sense?

[lynn cates]

self defense

Hello Jim. Welcome to the boards.

Essentially, I agree with your ruminations here. I think it was planned, but difficult to establish as such.

However, it was not entirely uncommon for an East End gent to carry a knife for self defense.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

forensic details

Hello Tom. Yes, but, if I recall properly, Rob would equate this club man with BS. That's fine. But the forensic details MUST match.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

impulse

Hello Harry. Thanks.

How do we know that Liz's assailant chose to cut her throat rather than acting on impulse?

Cheers.
LC