A Modern Day BS Man/Liz Encounter

[lynn cates]

varia

Hello Garza.

"Maybe I'm missing something, why kill Liz Stride? Motive?"

As I've said before (and as Sir Charles noted in his October12 th memorandum) the "Double Event" is an obvious--if clumsy--attempt to bring "heat" on Jews/Socialists. Which victim/s shall we select? Note that BOTH Liz and Kate worked amongst the Jews; BOTH Liz and Kate had/said-she-had ties to Fashion st; BOTH Liz and Kate have serious anomalies in a reconstruction of their final days. The answer is both simple and obvious.

"If an anarchist did kill Liz stride and IWMC decided to cover it up, they are idiots."

Well, if you are making a political/oeconomic statement, very well. Otherwise, why idiots?

"This person killed her outside the freaking club . . ."

Just so! What better way to have the police say, "Ah, so it was a Socialist what done it!"

"No-one knew but them, they had transport (D's pony and cart), could have transported the body anywhere, dumped it into the Thames."

Right. And Wess and the boys may seriously have contemplated such. But if you are stopped (given the smell of blood) what is your reply to, " 'Ere now, what's all this then?"?

"Yet they start running, squealing and yelling for a policeman, doesn't make sense."

Makes eminent sense to me. After a 10-15 minute delay to discuss the deep doo doo they are in, why not look like honest citizens discovering a body?

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hello Garza. The casual prostitute angle needs a good deal more confirmation than currently exists.

Why an anarchist? Well, a good many of them worked both sides. (See Inspector Melville's testimony that he had paid many anarchists. [Source: John Quail: The Slow Burning Fuse.]) (See also, the case of Evno Azef. [Source: Alex Butterworth: The World that Never Was.])

I could multiply cases like Auguste Coulon and even Charles Mowbray, but it would bore you I daresay.

Cheers.
LC

Maybe I'm missing something, why kill Liz Stride? Motive?

If an anarchist did kill liz stride and IWMC decided to cover it up, they are idiots. This person killed her outside the freaking club, lots of other alleyways to kill her. No-one knew but them, they had transport (D's pony and cart), could have transported the body anywhere, dumped it into the Thames.

Yet they start running, squealing and yelling for a policeman, doesn't make sense.

[lynn cates]

who me?

Hello Garza.

"He is a vital witness too, would have thought the police would have tracked him down!"

They likely tried. But if it was one of the club council, being found and forced to admit he had seen the dead woman just before she died (even though he were innocent--as he very likely was) was NOT high on his nor the club's wish list.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

porque

Hello Garza. The casual prostitute angle needs a good deal more confirmation than currently exists.

Why an anarchist? Well, a good many of them worked both sides. (See Inspector Melville's testimony that he had paid many anarchists. [Source: John Quail: The Slow Burning Fuse.]) (See also, the case of Evno Azef. [Source: Alex Butterworth: The World that Never Was.])

I could multiply cases like Auguste Coulon and even Charles Mowbray, but it would bore you I daresay.

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hello Garza.

"Although the man that PC Smith seen Stride with becomes more important as he is the last person seen with Stride and they were spotted together likely about 12.40-12.45, not 12.30-12.35 as stated."

Yes, quite important. Unfortunately, he may have been merely a club member headed for home with a bundle of Der Arbeter Fraint. (See Tom's work in this regard.)

Cheers.
LC

I am very familiar with Tom's work on this :-). And yes it is possible he was a club member with papers. He is a vital witness too, would have thought the police would have tracked him down!

[Garza]

Hello CD.

"Now if we eliminate the BS man, who are we left with as Stride's killer?"

Isn't it obvious? An anarchist (someone like Evno Azef a generation later, who worked for both sides), hired by the Okhrana who, as Butterworth indicates in his book, need a good sales pitch to emphasise the danger of anarchism.

Cheers.
LC

Hey lynn why would an anarchist kill a casual prostitute, right outside an anarchist club no less?

[lynn cates]

club chappie

Hello Garza.

"Although the man that PC Smith seen Stride with becomes more important as he is the last person seen with Stride and they were spotted together likely about 12.40-12.45, not 12.30-12.35 as stated."

Yes, quite important. Unfortunately, he may have been merely a club member headed for home with a bundle of Der Arbeter Fraint. (See Tom's work in this regard.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

whom?

Hello CD.

"Now if we eliminate the BS man, who are we left with as Stride's killer?"

Isn't it obvious? An anarchist (someone like Evno Azef a generation later, who worked for both sides), hired by the Okhrana who, as Butterworth indicates in his book, need a good sales pitch to emphasise the danger of anarchism.

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hi Lynn,

I agree. Now if we eliminate the BS man, who are we left with as Stride's killer?

c.d.

Unknown person probably.

Although the man that PC Smith seen Stride with becomes more important as he is the last person seen with Stride and they were spotted together likely about 12.40-12.45, not 12.30-12.35 as stated.

[c.d.]

Hello Viper. Right you are! All of which strongly suggests that she was overcome suddenly and never knew what hit her. It also suggests that BS man was properly named.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

I agree. Now if we eliminate the BS man, who are we left with as Stride's killer?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

contrived

Hello Garza.

"Schwartz's testimony is the odd one out."

Yes, and it looks VERY contrived.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

sudden

Hello Viper. Right you are! All of which strongly suggests that she was overcome suddenly and never knew what hit her. It also suggests that BS man was properly named.

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hello Observer.
He drug her into the yard? Schwartz crossing the street is what I mean, he was walking away from the problem, and pipeman was never moving toward the problem either, so why shift attention away from Stride? So Stride refuses to drop mints, refuses to scream, and refuses to protect herself while a drunk guy drags her into a yard, pulls out a knife, and cuts her throat?

Wouldn't there be obvious drag marks in the muddy alleyway that the police would not miss, plus mud over the back of her dress as well as just the left side of it?
The most damning thing about Schwartz's testimony is that when taken out all the other witness testimonies make sense a fit together more roundly. Schwartz's testimony is the odd one out.

[sleekviper]

Hello Observer.
He drug her into the yard? Schwartz crossing the street is what I mean, he was walking away from the problem, and pipeman was never moving toward the problem either, so why shift attention away from Stride? So Stride refuses to drop mints, refuses to scream, and refuses to protect herself while a drunk guy drags her into a yard, pulls out a knife, and cuts her throat?

[mariab]

Observer wrote:
You missed out a chauffeur.
Totally!