A Modern Day BS Man/Liz Encounter

[Phil Carter]

Hello Michael, Maria, Corey,

Merry Chrismas to one and all.

Phil

PS Corey.. after a while on radio it was pointed out that I used the phrase "in the meantime" a lot between playing tunes... I wrote a short list of alternatives and hung it from the mic above the table in the studio.. after a week..problem solved! (however, in the meantime, carry on regardless!)

[mariab]

Hi Corey,
I was not referring to Ischemidt, but to people like the Yorkshire Ripper etc..
Corey wrote:
However, a scizophrenic killer would be a "psychopathic" killer.
Precisely, but I was referring to situational killer, not serial killer.
Anyway, Merry Xmas (thought it's still early), and I gotta put some order in this place and run buy the ducks for tomorrow. (We opted for several small ducks, which offers the possibility for better skin vs. flesh ratio, as some pervs among my friends, including me, are total suckers for the duck's skin. I almost feel already like a serial killer when confessing this.)

[mariab]

To Phil Carter:
Merry Christmas, and I'll sign the petition for Trinity Hall tomorrow.

[The Good Michael]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/community-care-schizophrenics-have-killed-60-1384876.html

Mike


Notice the young age of the killers and the violence with which they've killed.


Mike

[corey123]

Hello Maria,

I don't think Jacob "faked" his symptoms. He was arrested under charges of suspicous activity. Those were, at least on the record, dropped. Therefore, he would have nothing to "fake" against. No charges. However, sadly you are right, I wouldn't wish to count the number of men who faked insanity, when they deserved their just-punishments.

Also, a scizophrenic killer would be a "psychopathic" killer.

Lastly, I would never say never

Merry Christmas Maria.

p.s I just realized, I use the word "however" way too much.

[mariab]

Hi Corey,
I didn't say “psychopathic serial killer“, did I? An undifferentiated would never become a serial killer, although he could become a killer under certain circumstances. Most serial killers are sociopathic, not psychopathic, although they have certainly tried to fake it when caught. And I never said that schizophrenics are not a danger primarily to themselves. Still, a paranoid schizophrenic, when on, ain't exactly a pretty and peaceful sight.

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil,

For a minute there I was starting to think that our good friend Michael, aka Perry Mason, had been reincarnated. I have never been able to understand why those who believe in the C5 are considered to be locked into their thinking. To look at other possibilities is fine and should be encouraged but let's not confuse possibility with probability. I can make a case for Abberline being the killer or even Mrs. Fiddymont and if you doubt me I can then accuse you of being close minded and of simply wanting to protect your ego.

Now somebody killed these women and that IS NOT an invention nor a theory. Let's not lose sight of that.

c.d.

Hello cd,

haha... am not a reincarnation, as I am older than he..lol.
Some, are locked into a C5 theory. Yes, you could make a case. but JI is a very important suspect that should be taken seriously.

No. we must not forget these women were horribly killed. That DID happen. But "Jack the Ripper" is an invented name... long after the murders in the area started.

best wishes and a Merry Xmas to you and your family

Phil

[corey123]

Hello c.d.

That true, however, in truth the "psychopath" is less dangerous than the "sociopath" and schizophrenics, well, they just haven't proven to be as dangerous than others. In one of the psychology books I have read, the writer said:

The case of the axe weilding madman is rare indeed

I would think that, in the case of a scizophrenic, they would be more preoccupied with their delusions/halucinations, than with the need, or want, to kill others.

[mariab]

The Good Michael wrote:
A real detective, or LeGrand?
Le Grand. You should also know that the WVC was trying to gain the cooperation of the IWEC, both as a venue and financially. So most possibly Le Grand would have been working both sides of the street.
The authorities were following up what was going on in the club, but this doesn't mean that they KNEW what was going on inside the club.
All this is still “under investigation“, as they say, as research is going on (or at least, will be going on again soon).

Now I gotta run.

[c.d.]

Hi Corey,

Anybody can be dangerous.

c.d.

[corey123]

Hello Maria,

Let me know when you hear of a psychopathic serial killer then. I assure you, it will be hard for you to find one. Schizophrenics are usually not dangerous at all especially the undifferentiated type. I don't know what your source that says they are is, but it is wrong.

Many schizophrenics are a danger to themselves. History has proven that much, however, it is possible, but very unlikely.

[The Good Michael]

Can you think of a detective with their own agency who put his foot firmly inside the Berner Street investigation, Michael?

A real detective, or LeGrand? Nope, I can't think of a one, and neither do I think there was a complete investigation of the club. Neither do I think they would completely cooperate, but not because of anything evil; just because the establishment was a bad thing in their eyes. Again, I'm sure the authorities knew exactly what was going on in the club.

Cheers,

Mike

[c.d.]

Hi Michael,

The point is that they were considered dangerous at the time. Whether they should have been or not is pretty much a moot point.

c.d.

[mariab]

To The good Michael:
You got it wrong, Michael! We're not in any fashion criticizing anarchists or claiming that the IWEC protected the killer. (It's Observer who got this wrong impression for a second.) What we're contemplating here is the possibility that the Russian anti-revolutionary Okhrana might have used the Stride murder as a provocatory act to harm the IWEC. You should know that the Okhrana was in the habit of hiring local detective agencies to help with their anti-anarchist agenda. Can you think of a detective with their own agency who put his foot firmly inside the Berner Street investigation, Michael?

Corey,
I promise I'll read your essay and Examiner 5 at some point in January. I have to confess I haven't yet formed a definite opinion on Jacob Isenschmid, but paranoid schizophrenics and schizophrenics of the undifferentiated kind most certainly can commit brutal crimes.

I gotta take care of some domestic stuff and meet some friends to go get the ducks for tomorrow. I'll be back much later. (So if I'm off for a while, please don't think I'm rude.)

[c.d.]

Hi Phil,

For a minute there I was starting to think that our good friend Michael, aka Perry Mason, had been reincarnated. I have never been able to understand why those who believe in the C5 are considered to be locked into their thinking. To look at other possibilities is fine and should be encouraged but let's not confuse possibility with probability. I can make a case for Abberline being the killer or even Mrs. Fiddymont and if you doubt me I can then accuse you of being close minded and of simply wanting to protect your ego.

Now somebody killed these women and that IS NOT an invention nor a theory. Let's not lose sight of that.

c.d.