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C.d. writes:
"Sorry brother, but you lost me completely here. Are we to assume that Liz took being thrown roughly to the ground as a sign of affection? Now she might not have expected a knife to the throat but is it not reasonable that she expected more rough treatment and therefore was on her guard?"
I think, c. d, that as the two went into the yard, Liz was pretty sure that he would not harm her physically in any way. And I will explain to you why, hoping that you will listen. Not everybody do.
It all lies in the mechanisms of an abusive partnership. The easy thing to believe here is to think that the man beats up on the woman because he enjoys to do so, and that she remains in a passive role. This, c.d, is normally NOT the case.
Relationships like these more often than not involve TWO abusive parts, man AND woman. The difference between the two is that he applies physical violence, whereas she abuses him verbally.
The man in a relationship like this does not enjoy beating up on his woman. He is often genuinely fond of her, and he is also generally a weak person, who very much fears to loose his partner. She is often the more intelligent of the two, and the one who argument-wise can defeat her spouse. This often contributes to the beatings-up; he despises the fact that he looses arguments, and resorts to the only thing where he knows that he will prevail: physical violence.
One important factor to realize here is that very often, when men like these have beaten their women; slapped them in the face, punched them, kicked them or so on, they immediately are repentful, and their fear of loosing their women surfaces. They turn very quickly from having beaten, to apologizing and begging their women to stay with them.
Now, take a look at B S mans actions: Does he walk up to Liz and punch her in the face? No, he does not - he tries to persuade her to come with him, and when that does not work he tries to drag her by her hand into the street with him. It is only when this tactic miserably fails, that he erupts into sudden violence; he throws her to the ground.
Does Schwarz say that he beats up on her afterwards, throws himself over her, punches her? Nope - after the sudden eruption of violence, he is probably as meek as a lamb. And THAT is when she gets to abuse HIM. She takes him into the yard with him, and at that time she knows that his violence has erupted and left him, in short: she is top dog in that yard, and she is not afraid for a second. She knows that he becomes a pathetic bag of excuseswhen he has abused her physically, and she welcomes the opportunity to get back at him.
Trouble is, she goes too far this time. My guess is that she tells him that she has had it with him, that they are through, and that makes him go off once more, something that takes her totally by surprise.
And there you are, c.d., it all is very simple if I am correct on it. A case of the good old "If I canīt have her nobody else will-disease", a domestic quarrel with the drab old domestic ingredients of a man who abuses physically and a woman who retalliates verbally.
Now, then, c.d - do you finally see what I am suggesting, and the sense of it?There is no need for you to agree, but please donīt tell me that it is a strange or incredible scenario - it is a lot more common thanthroat-cutting, eviscerating serial killers,believe you me!
The best,
Fisherman
"Sorry brother, but you lost me completely here. Are we to assume that Liz took being thrown roughly to the ground as a sign of affection? Now she might not have expected a knife to the throat but is it not reasonable that she expected more rough treatment and therefore was on her guard?"
I think, c. d, that as the two went into the yard, Liz was pretty sure that he would not harm her physically in any way. And I will explain to you why, hoping that you will listen. Not everybody do.
It all lies in the mechanisms of an abusive partnership. The easy thing to believe here is to think that the man beats up on the woman because he enjoys to do so, and that she remains in a passive role. This, c.d, is normally NOT the case.
Relationships like these more often than not involve TWO abusive parts, man AND woman. The difference between the two is that he applies physical violence, whereas she abuses him verbally.
The man in a relationship like this does not enjoy beating up on his woman. He is often genuinely fond of her, and he is also generally a weak person, who very much fears to loose his partner. She is often the more intelligent of the two, and the one who argument-wise can defeat her spouse. This often contributes to the beatings-up; he despises the fact that he looses arguments, and resorts to the only thing where he knows that he will prevail: physical violence.
One important factor to realize here is that very often, when men like these have beaten their women; slapped them in the face, punched them, kicked them or so on, they immediately are repentful, and their fear of loosing their women surfaces. They turn very quickly from having beaten, to apologizing and begging their women to stay with them.
Now, take a look at B S mans actions: Does he walk up to Liz and punch her in the face? No, he does not - he tries to persuade her to come with him, and when that does not work he tries to drag her by her hand into the street with him. It is only when this tactic miserably fails, that he erupts into sudden violence; he throws her to the ground.
Does Schwarz say that he beats up on her afterwards, throws himself over her, punches her? Nope - after the sudden eruption of violence, he is probably as meek as a lamb. And THAT is when she gets to abuse HIM. She takes him into the yard with him, and at that time she knows that his violence has erupted and left him, in short: she is top dog in that yard, and she is not afraid for a second. She knows that he becomes a pathetic bag of excuseswhen he has abused her physically, and she welcomes the opportunity to get back at him.
Trouble is, she goes too far this time. My guess is that she tells him that she has had it with him, that they are through, and that makes him go off once more, something that takes her totally by surprise.
And there you are, c.d., it all is very simple if I am correct on it. A case of the good old "If I canīt have her nobody else will-disease", a domestic quarrel with the drab old domestic ingredients of a man who abuses physically and a woman who retalliates verbally.
Now, then, c.d - do you finally see what I am suggesting, and the sense of it?There is no need for you to agree, but please donīt tell me that it is a strange or incredible scenario - it is a lot more common thanthroat-cutting, eviscerating serial killers,believe you me!
The best,
Fisherman
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