Was Dutfields Yard Really Empty?

[Monty]

George,

They was a dung heap in Dutfields Yard. It wasnt empty.

The heap was searched by the way.

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

They was a dung heap in Dutfields Yard.

They was? That ain't a nice thing to say abouts all dem young mens, Montee.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Sam Flynn]

There was a dung heap in Dutfields Yard. The heap was searched

...it's at times like those that "the long arm of the Law" comes in very handy

[Monty]

Tiredness Tom,

Some of us still have to hand in their homework to teach and are up all hours to get it done.

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

I'm with you there, Montague. Just a minute ago I caught myself agreeing with AP Wolf on something. Just not enough hours in the day any more.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[perrymason]

Hello all,

Very few posts dealing thread specific here, so Ill break tradition and do just that.

The yard was testified as being empty first by Wess...the time makes it relatively unimportant...the second is Lave, and the third is Eagle. Lave is in the yard for about 10-20 minutes, until 20 to 1, which is when Eagle says he entered the yard from Berner. They dont see each other. Some cottagers were awake, they saw nothing though their windows almost faced Liz's death site. Fanny Mortimer sees no-one outside the gates from just about when Schwartz and Pipeman leave at approx 12:46, until almost 1 when she sees Goldstein. No-one is seen outside the gates after 12:46...and no-one is seen in the yard at 12:40. But Liz is outside the yard near the gates when BSM and Schwartz enter, so we must assume that she arrives there after 12:40, so misses being seen by Eagle and Lave, but before 12:45, as she is there to be seen by Schwartz.

If the witnesses tesified honestly, its very likely the yard was empty until Liz enters it sometime after 12:46. BSM may well have been with her. There is no evidence that says he left before she is killed.

Best regards all.

[Monty]

Tom,

Nor any exclaimations worthy enough.

Monty

[george chapman]

oh , I see; you're a teacher..................

[harry]

Michael,
We have the words of Brown to consider also.He reported that Liz and a companion were in the intersecting street at 1245.It was however just a short walk from Duttfields yard,a couple of minutes in time,which raises a pertinent question.What of this man and where did he go.He could have accompanied Liz to Duttfield yard,and been hidden just inside,out of the gaze of both BS and Schwartz.With Schwartz gone he could have seen off the drunk,pipeman also departs,and she is left with a person who had so far shown no ill will.A person she can trust.
Possible?

[Tom_Wescott]

Harry,

Where Brown reported seeing the couple is actually no more than a 10 SECOND walk from Dutfields yard. I believe Brown was an honest witness, but I'm not sure he saw what he thinks he saw, or at the time he saw it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[The Good Michael]

They was a dung heap in Dutfields Yard. It wasnt empty.

The heap was searched by the way.

I thought it was a depression in the ground for refuse. If it was a dung heap, that is very different. If a body can look like a tarpaulin, how difficult is it for a person to mistake a crouching killer for a dung heap? Who would thoroughly search a dung heap? Not I. This may be the answer.

Cheers,

Mike

[Sam Flynn]

Who would thoroughly search a dung heap?

Police, under orders, certainly would, Mike.

[The Good Michael]

Gareth,

Of course they would, and I was joking. You knew that.

Mike

[harry]

Tom,
Perhap's Brown,like many of the witnes's,could not give a time accurate to the minute,but a late night call might have well made hime aware of the approximate time,and the exactness of 12.45 a suggestion from an official source.
Like you I think Brown to have been honest.He states he could not be sure the woman was Stride,a statement which is in contrast with the detailed description's of some others including Schwartz,though again,with that individual,suggestion by others might have been a factor.
regards.

[Sam Flynn]

Of course they would, and I was joking. You knew that.

D'oh! Too subtle, Mike! Either that, or I'm slow this morning