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  • I wondered about that point Tom_Wescott if it was a matter of under-reporting... since the manner and type of crime [Tabram's possibly being the first in the series] may have merely been considered Brutal at the time [by both officials and journalists alike], and that neither party was as forensically-inclined to note all the particulars of her scene of the crime as they would become in pursuant months when the sensation of the crimes grew into the Heinous, Grotesque, Macabre,...

    My wonderment is two-fold:
    1. Martha Tabram seems peculiarly under-dressed considering many of the other victims {poor as they may be!} were wearing a few more articles of clothing e.g. bodice, chest cloth, &c.
    2. I don't see any mention of articles or items in her possession e.g. a piece of mirror, a comb, a length of string, a thimble, &c.
    there,s nothing new, only the unexplored

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    • Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
      ...My grandfather was forced to join the Russian Army upon threat of shooting his entire family. His stepmother gladly obliged...
      My first time reading, I read this as: His stepmother gladly obliged to shoot his entire family

      Thank you for the post, Patrick, it's good to know you better. I am along the Texas border, currently serving my duties of keeping out the aliens - both domestic & interplanetary. I'm not partial to any suspect, i think interesting cases can be submitted for most... but even if Jacob Levy was favored as Jack the Ripper, it would still mean that the Chapmans and Kosminskis and Burys and Maybricks and Druitts and Van Goghs and [insert suspect's name] were haunting about the East End, in other words there were a lot of bad people doing a lot of bad things in the East End in 1888 [a lot of slugs hidden under the rock] so narrowing-down a suspect or motive based on one narrative over another seems slightly vacant to me.
      My suspicions-of-the-moment tend to be based on whatever true crime series I am currently watching. I watched one the other evening about a 30 yo Texas man who murdered two prostitutes because he was filled with 'a couple of beers & some idiotic rage against women', and it turned out that his father worked in the Sheriff Department. I thought, now there's an interesting idea for Jack the Ripper, considering the question that continually arises about how he effortlessly navigated the constabulary, that maybe he had insight about police-workings from growing up in a constable's home.
      there,s nothing new, only the unexplored

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      • Originally posted by Robert St Devil View Post
        I wondered about that point Tom_Wescott if it was a matter of under-reporting... since the manner and type of crime [Tabram's possibly being the first in the series] may have merely been considered Brutal at the time [by both officials and journalists alike], and that neither party was as forensically-inclined to note all the particulars of her scene of the crime as they would become in pursuant months when the sensation of the crimes grew into the Heinous, Grotesque, Macabre,...

        My wonderment is two-fold:
        1. Martha Tabram seems peculiarly under-dressed considering many of the other victims {poor as they may be!} were wearing a few more articles of clothing e.g. bodice, chest cloth, &c.
        2. I don't see any mention of articles or items in her possession e.g. a piece of mirror, a comb, a length of string, a thimble, &c.
        Hi Robert. The description of her clothing I quoted wasn't from the press, it was from the police report of Inspector Ellisdon. It's possible her dress was torn away, exposing her breasts, as PC Barrett said, or he assumed the presence of a dress that was never there. Hard to say.

        Yours truly,

        Tom Wescott

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        • Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
          Hi Tani- From every photograph I've seen of that era I would call black the standard color. Yes there were other colors available if you had the money. I am talking mens clothing in this case. In the case of JtR he would be difficult to tag at night and would also easily blend in during the day in a crowd wearing black. Point being he looked like the majority of men at the time and did not really " stand out". My guess on hats is that, like the women, they liked the variety. My thought on red handkerchiefs is that there was no better color to hide blood.
          Appreciate the feedback.
          Given that colour photography didn't really exist at that time, it's highly probable that black would have been the standard colour of clothing in photographs (and white too).
          For now we see through a glass darkly, but then, face to face.
          Now I know in part, but then shall I know even as also I am known.

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          • Maybe JtR just liked black. :-)

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