The Goulston Street Apron

[GUT]

I'm prepared to acknowledge that my theory is not watertight and you don't have to believe it if you don't want to.

But I can't bring myself to believe that someone who has just committed murder would suddenly decide to cut out a kidney, wrap it in a piece of apron which somehow gets sh*t on it, and then walk across London carrying the thing.

That makes less sense to me than Eddowes being on the blob.

What proof is there that any decision to take a kidney (if he did so) was sudden.

[GUT]

I feel it is pretty much of a coincidence also that the first murder that night happened in the yard of the Jewish Working Man's Educational Club and the second adjacent to the Great Synagogue....

But is there anywhere in Whitechapel that this sort of connection couldn't be made?

If not to Jewish locations, to schools or churches or some other group of properties.

[All4One]

I'm prepared to acknowledge that my theory is not watertight and you don't have to believe it if you don't want to.

But I can't bring myself to believe that someone who has just committed murder would suddenly decide to cut out a kidney, wrap it in a piece of apron which somehow gets sh*t on it, and then walk across London carrying the thing.

That makes less sense to me than Eddowes being on the blob.

[IchabodCrane]

The Juwes Are The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing

I'm willing to believe he either took the kidney on impulse, or just planned badly, and so he took part of her apron to carry the kidney, but then happened upon something, like a glass or pail, or even butcher paper, that was more suited to carrying it, and so he left the apron and took the kidney off in the new container. The graffito is a coincidence. There was probably lots of graffiti in that part of the city, and the chances were that wherever the apron landed, it would have landed near some kind of graffito.

I feel it is pretty much of a coincidence also that the first murder that night happened in the yard of the Jewish Working Man's Educational Club and the second adjacent to the Great Synagogue....

[RivkahChaya]

Morning DJA
Unfortunately neither the apron nor the message fit 'comfortably' with 'random jack' theories so some like to ignore
'random jack' would have tossed the rag within yards of mitre square if it was just to wipe his hands on.
It wouldn't just so happen to appear in a doorway with a message above it

I'm willing to believe he either took the kidney on impulse, or just planned badly, and so he took part of her apron to carry the kidney, but then happened upon something, like a glass or pail, or even butcher paper, that was more suited to carrying it, and so he left the apron and took the kidney off in the new container. The graffito is a coincidence. There was probably lots of graffiti in that part of the city, and the chances were that wherever the apron landed, it would have landed near some kind of graffito.

[packers stem]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_square

Don't mention the Juwes.....

Aww go on....

[GUT]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_square

Don't mention the Juwes.....

I did but I think I got away with it.

[DJA]

Morning DJA
Unfortunately neither the apron nor the message fit 'comfortably' with 'random jack' theories so some like to ignore
'random jack' would have tossed the rag within yards of mitre square if it was just to wipe his hands on.
It wouldn't just so happen to appear in a doorway with a message above it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_square

Don't mention the Juwes.....

[packers stem]

Jack might have been using it as a red herring to draw attention away from Mitre Square and towards the slum area.

Hence he left half behind.

The largest diagonal cut possible to the apron tells us that it was no "accident".

Morning DJA
Unfortunately neither the apron nor the message fit 'comfortably' with 'random jack' theories so some like to ignore
'random jack' would have tossed the rag within yards of mitre square if it was just to wipe his hands on.
It wouldn't just so happen to appear in a doorway with a message above it

[curious4]

Jack might have been using it as a red herring to draw attention away from Mitre Square and towards the slum area.

Hence he left half behind.

The largest diagonal cut possible to the apron tells us that it was no "accident".

Hello DJA

For once I agree with you :-).

Best wishes
C4

[DJA]

I Why not fold or bundle the whole apron up and use it?

Jack might have been using it as a red herring to draw attention away from Mitre Square and towards the slum area.

Hence he left half behind.

The largest diagonal cut possible to the apron tells us that it was no "accident".

[Rosella]

I think the piece of apron was left by the killer. Kate wouldn't have sliced her apron in such a way. Why not fold or bundle the whole apron up and use it? If she had wanted to quickly use the entry to the Wentworth Buildings for toilet purposes and didn't want to use her spare pieces of linen I'm sure there was newly discarded paper of some sort lying about the streets.

[DJA]

The piece of apron was roughly half, cut diagonally,leaving the other half behind.

[packers stem]

I don't think the killer ever touched the apron. I think Eddowes used it and discared it herself in Goulston Street before she was arrested and before she met Jack. And I don't think he wrote the graffito either. The only significance of the graffito is that it was discovered near a piece of bloody apron that was traced back to Eddowes. If he didn't drop the apron then he didn't write the graffito - QED. And, as I say, Goulston Street is a bit too close to Berner Street for comfort - especially for someone who's just committed murder. I just don't think there's enough tangible evidence here to place Jack in Goulston Street.

Yes, Eddowes did have a dozen other pieces of apron - some of which were 'slightly bloodstained' - about her person that she could have used but who's to say she didn't find or aquire those after she had already cut/torn a piece off her own apron in an emergency? People like her would have carried everything they could on their person, not knowing when they might need it. A bit like people nowadays carrying a pack of tissues in their pocket or handbag even when they don't have a cold.

IMHO

Hi All4one
Makes no sense I'm afraid why the still alive Eddowes would be tearing a piece off her own apron, covered in blood somehow? And dropping it in Goulston Street
Time for a rethink possibly
....and I do wish people would stop calling it graffiti
"it's the Jews what dun it"....it ain't lol

[curious4]

I don't think the killer ever touched the apron. I think Eddowes used it and discared it herself in Goulston Street before she was arrested and before she met Jack. And I don't think he wrote the graffito either. The only significance of the graffito is that it was discovered near a piece of bloody apron that was traced back to Eddowes. If he didn't drop the apron then he didn't write the graffito - QED. And, as I say, Goulston Street is a bit too close to Berner Street for comfort - especially for someone who's just committed murder. I just don't think there's enough tangible evidence here to place Jack in Goulston Street.

Yes, Eddowes did have a dozen other pieces of apron - some of which were 'slightly bloodstained' - about her person that she could have used but who's to say she didn't find or aquire those after she had already cut/torn a piece off her own apron in an emergency? People like her would have carried everything they could on their person, not knowing when they might need it. A bit like people nowadays carrying a pack of tissues in their pocket or handbag even when they don't have a cold.

IMHO

Hello All4one

Why would she cut off a piece of her apron when she had several other pieces of rag ready to use? How did she cut a piece off? She only had a table knife, which would not be sharp enough. An apron was a badge of respectability for poor women in the East End. Why ruin it? If she needed something in a hurry, why not grab a rag from her "pocket". Much quicker and easier. And if she had cut off a piece of apron for the purpose you mention, why would she immediately throw it away? These rags were washed and reused and would have been tied on in some way (possibly by tucking the ends under the waistband of her skirt).
And just where would she get 12 pieces of stained rag in the middle of the night? She must have had them with her.

Best wishes
C4