The Apron Again

[lynn cates]

weak

Hello Mac. I admit a weak case, but the other cases look perhaps weaker. Organs? Maybe Trevor is on to something.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Sir Charles

Hello (again) Mac.

"And, the framing of 'the Jews'? Distinctly improbable."

Why? Sir Charles thought that.

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

"reasoning and “instinct“ exist simultaneously"

Agreed. One was, however, preponderant with Polly and Annie's slayer; the other with Kate's.

Cheers.
LC

How's that, Lynn? Seems to me that there is a great resemblance between all three, and particularly Chapman and Eddowes. How can you confidently make the above statement?

Best wishes,
Steve.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

I've answered my own question.

It was Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown at the Eddowes inquest.

I was searching for fecal, but the press diphthonged it as faecal.

Regards,

Simon

[mariab]

When and where was it first written that the apron piece bore traces of fecal matter?

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in one or several of the primary sources (as in the doctor's reports).
I'm so sorry I can't look it up right now, I have a friend here.

"reasoning and “instinct“ exist simultaneously"
Agreed. One was, however, preponderant with Polly and Annie's slayer; the other with Kate's.

How's that, Lynn? Seems to me that there is a great resemblance between all three, and particularly Chapman and Eddowes. How can you confidently make the above statement?

What Lynn sees as a contrasting MO I (and most other “canonical“ Ripperologists) see as escalation.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hello (again) Mac.

"And, the framing of 'the Jews'? Distinctly improbable."

Why? Sir Charles thought that.

Cheers.
LC

Clearly, Lynn, it's a load of old nonsense.

1) Presumably he didn't stumble upon this idea between murder and Goulston Street.
2) Therefore it was pre-planned.
3) So it follows some thought must have gone into it.
4) I defy any human being to think of a less plausible way of framing the Jews than writing on a wall: "It's the Jews", assuming the readership can make head or tail of it. A small stoat with no more claim to reason than an even smaller stoat would have come up with something better than that.

[Trevor Marriott]

Clearly, Lynn, it's a load of old nonsense.

1) Presumably he didn't stumble upon this idea between murder and Goulston Street.
2) Therefore it was pre-planned.
3) So it follows some thought must have gone into it.
4) I defy any human being to think of a less plausible way of framing the Jews than writing on a wall: "It's the Jews", assuming the readership can make head or tail of it. A small stoat with no more claim to reason than an even smaller stoat would have come up with something better than that.

But if you are going to frame the jews you have to write down what you are framing them for. I keep saying this and perhaps someone will soon listen. The graffiti as written does not refer to any murder.

[Monty]

But if you are going to frame the jews you have to write down what you are framing them for. I keep saying this and perhaps someone will soon listen. The graffiti as written does not refer to any murder.

You and me both Trevor.

Monty

[Fleetwood Mac]

But if you are going to frame the jews you have to write down what you are framing them for. I keep saying this and perhaps someone will soon listen. The graffiti as written does not refer to any murder.

I think we're saying something similar, Trevor.

But for sake of discussion let's say that the writing was pre-faced with the words: "This message relates to the Eddowes murder".

What exactly does he go onto say?

"I am not Jewish, although I'm pretending to be Jewish, and I ask you to believe I'm Jewish and I say we won't be blamed even though we did it".

Jesus Christ.

Should have just written: "It was Leather Apron".

[Trevor Marriott]

I think we're saying something similar, Trevor.

But for sake of discussion let's say that the writing was pre-faced with the words: "This message relates to the Eddowes murder".

What exactly does he go onto say?

"I am not Jewish, although I'm pretending to be Jewish, and I ask you to believe I'm Jewish and I say we won't be blamed even though we did it".

Jesus Christ.

Should have just written: "It was Leather Apron".

Thats hypothetical you can only work with what was written.

Look at all the ripper letters which were sent in by "the killer" in all of those the murders were mentioned. Now lets just suppose one was from the real killer, if he had taken the trouble to write that in a letter which clearly refers to a murder surely you would have expected some mention of a murder in the graffiti if the killer had written it.

[Jon Guy]

Assuming the killer wrote it, he was a nut who`d just been rummaging about inside Eddowes abdomen so God knows what was going on in his head.
Perhaps he thought the words Juwes and blame along with a bloodstained portion of Eddowes apron as proof of authorship would be enough to cause a repeat of the trouble that took place following the Chapman murder.

[lynn cates]

inquest

Hello Steven

"How's that, Lynn? Seems to me that there is a great resemblance between all three, and particularly Chapman and Eddowes. How can you confidently make the above statement?"

Because Kate's killer made a rum job of it. In the days after the "Double Even" it was Kate's murder called in question, not Liz's.

Do you recall Baxter's remarks at the Stride inquest and his comparison of Kate with Polly and Annie?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

dipthongs and such

Hello Simon. Good for them. (Should have had me research it. heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

escalators, etc

Hello Maria.

"What Lynn sees as a contrasting MO I (and most other “canonical“ Ripperologists) see as escalation."

Yes, that is the standard view. (Like your word.)

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

I'm with Maria on this one, Lynn.

Best wishes,
Steve.