Eddowes Photograph

[DVV]

I don't know, Phil.
This is a scan of an old pic, in which nothing is neatly visible.
But what we see and what we don't see make worth examining the original and perhaps question its (his)story - be it just for knowledge.

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Hello David,

That original. That is now back at Kew isn't it?

To me, and it is only a quiet guess, it is a composite pic. I don't say I'm correct by any means.. but the right arm, the "collar", the waist, the lack of wounds that SHOULD be there all the way up, the "teeth" under the chin, the "image" of the man with head, shoulders and torso by her left shoulder, the "tattoo" which isn't a tattoo, no TC tattoo, the writing though the horizontal lines, the supposed injuries to the lower body that look like letters (rotate right 90 degrees), the right arm that sits up and is seen throught he side of the shell, or vice versa, the dead straight outer edge left arm... there is so much wrong in that picture, it should be seriously questioned.

best wishes

Phil

[robhouse]

I think Jukka is right.. that is not Kate's arm, it is part of the coffin... so no tattoo.

RH

[belinda]

What horrible photos. Poor Kate. It looks to me like her tounge is visible above her mouth. I don't really see teeth. It's not a very clear photo it probably never was given the circumstances. You could see all kinds of things in the shadows.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello David,

That original. That is now back at Kew isn't it?

To me, and it is only a quiet guess, it is a composite pic. I don't say I'm correct by any means.. but the right arm, the "collar", the waist, the lack of wounds that SHOULD be there all the way up, the "teeth" under the chin, the "image" of the man with head, shoulders and torso by her left shoulder, the "tattoo" which isn't a tattoo, no TC tattoo, the writing though the horizontal lines, the supposed injuries to the lower body that look like letters (rotate right 90 degrees), the right arm that sits up and is seen throught he side of the shell, or vice versa, the dead straight outer edge left arm... there is so much wrong in that picture, it should be seriously questioned.

best wishes

Phil

Phil
A word of caution if you start questioning accepted facts you will incur the wrath of the "The Muppets"

[DVV]

I think Jukka is right.. that is not Kate's arm, it is part of the coffin... so no tattoo.

RH

Hi Rob,

I agree that there is no tatoo. The writing is too long. (Then, what does this writing say ?)

But that's not what strikes me most, which is : I don't see here a part of the coffin, and there Kate's arm, but sometimes both, visible here and there, one through the other, and vice-versa.

Once again, just unexpert comments of this scanned image, and then just the impression it gives me.
If somebody had the chance to have a look at the original, he would tell us more.

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Hello Trevor,

I think I can handle glove puppets...hahaha.

Quote a Muppet...

Halfway down the stairs is the stair, that I sit. There isn't any other stair quite like it. It's not at the bottom, it's not at the top. But this is the stair, where I always stop.

I stopped at that photo..and said... hang on...it isn't right. It's wrong. So here I sit. That list above is enough to call that photo into question in anyone's language.

Have you already noticed the fact that no TC tattoo on the arm has been neatly side-stepped?

best wishes

Phil

[belinda]

Glove Puppets

We'll see what Miss Piggy has to say about that

[Garry Wroe]

As I've mentioned in private correspondence, Phil, I certainly don't accept that the torso is out of focus. To my eye, it looks to be covered by a blanket or sheet. The abdominal 'wound' looks to be seepage through the material, and the 'tattoo' a manufacturer's name or even a laundry mark. This also explains the distorted right arm (to the left of the photograph) and the lack of definition around the breasts.

All the best.

Garry Wroe.

[Phil Carter]

Alphabet soup...

Hello all,

Just a little thing to add to the list..just to keep the pot boiling.. well, tradition says that is how things are done...hahahaha..

Spot the alphabet soup.

All I have done is enhance the photo, double sized. with slight colouring, and shading. I have added and taken nothing away.

Now perhaps some may see what a composite load of twaddle this photo ACTUALLY is.

Right hand side of face.... running down from the temple to the chin and others, here and there...

Get the idea how this was put together now people? Its clever.....

best wishes

Phil

[robhouse]

"Have you already noticed the fact that no TC tattoo on the arm has been neatly side-stepped?"

I don't see that there is any reason to question the photo's validity...

How do you explain this line which I have highlighted in red? It seems to me that you are suggesting that this line is the inner part of Eddowes' right arm. However, it clearly is not... for 2 reasons

1. The line extends above and to the left of Eddowes' shoulder and
2. The bend in the "arm" is in the wrong place for an elbow.

Also it seems to me that you can see Eddowes actual arm (green line) THROUGH this object whatever it is. I may be wrong here, but I am guessing that this is a sheet or something transparent. In fact, I think that you can see threads on the sheet (blue line).

RH

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

The letters under the nose are, I think, MPA...... Metropolitan Police Archives
The letters down the side of her face are, I think SNOW....... as in Snow Hill police station, amongst others.

Get the idea now? No trick of the light, no bad plate..the negative has been written on. And the effect is to make the face look covered in wounds.

There is an M on the right eye too. The same pen has filled in the mouth. And I think the same pen made that triangle in the middle of the chest too. See the negative below.

Still no reason to question the photo's validity?

best wishes

Phil

[sgh]

Eddowes photo enhanced

Hi All,
Can't resist a photo enhancement.
To help clarify what you guys may or maybe not seeing regarding the left arm, here's my enhancement offering.
I have converted the image into a negative so that some details can be easier to identify.
In my opinion, the right arm is out of view, only her right shoulder is visible and we are simply seeing the outer edge of the coffin.
You will note the converging lines on the edge of the open coffin to the left of the photo as this edge is nearest to the camera lens - hence the edge appears wider as would be expected.
The alleged 'writing or whatever' on her right arm is nothing more than artifacts on a poor copy of the photo as correctly pointed out earlier by a previous poster.
If anyone has a better copy of this photo I will be only too pleased to enhance it, indeed any photo to do with jtr.

Best
Steve

[belinda]

So you're saying the photo is a cut and paste job?

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

Here are a few more letters for the soup. All you have to do is enlarge.

Near right nipple, RN, there are also faint letters below this. Over to the left, between the triangle and the dark L shaped "wound" M That is not a nipple either underneath the M. If anything, it is a mole. It is in the centre of the body. Over to the left, the number 6 and an A with a ring around it.

The large "wounds" are drawn in. a V, and an L. Its easy to see on both this snip and the negative as sgh kindly supplied. Rotate right to see clearly.
No breasts as such, no areolae outlines either.

These markings in NO WAY relate to the injuries Eddowes had. They are painted on in pen.

Conclusions?. Simple. This is NOT the woman we know as Catharine Eddowes.

This photo has been tampered with, on the negative. The signs are that it was done at Snow Hill Police Station.(Note the letters as I have described a few postings above, No. 55). When? Unknown.

The whole of the negative of this body has been written on. To represent injuries. There are too many discrepancies on this photo to call it authentic.

I urge all to see all the snippets I have posted, with all the things "wrong".

There are many other things wrong with this photo.

I believe the evidence to be clear, and too plentiful. And very, very cleverly done.

best wishes

Phil