Eddowes Photograph

[belinda]

Glove Puppets

We'll see what Miss Piggy has to say about that

[Phil Carter]

Hello Trevor,

I think I can handle glove puppets...hahaha.

Quote a Muppet...

Halfway down the stairs is the stair, that I sit. There isn't any other stair quite like it. It's not at the bottom, it's not at the top. But this is the stair, where I always stop.

I stopped at that photo..and said... hang on...it isn't right. It's wrong. So here I sit. That list above is enough to call that photo into question in anyone's language.

Have you already noticed the fact that no TC tattoo on the arm has been neatly side-stepped?

best wishes

Phil

[DVV]

I think Jukka is right.. that is not Kate's arm, it is part of the coffin... so no tattoo.

RH

Hi Rob,

I agree that there is no tatoo. The writing is too long. (Then, what does this writing say ?)

But that's not what strikes me most, which is : I don't see here a part of the coffin, and there Kate's arm, but sometimes both, visible here and there, one through the other, and vice-versa.

Once again, just unexpert comments of this scanned image, and then just the impression it gives me.
If somebody had the chance to have a look at the original, he would tell us more.

Amitiés,
David

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello David,

That original. That is now back at Kew isn't it?

To me, and it is only a quiet guess, it is a composite pic. I don't say I'm correct by any means.. but the right arm, the "collar", the waist, the lack of wounds that SHOULD be there all the way up, the "teeth" under the chin, the "image" of the man with head, shoulders and torso by her left shoulder, the "tattoo" which isn't a tattoo, no TC tattoo, the writing though the horizontal lines, the supposed injuries to the lower body that look like letters (rotate right 90 degrees), the right arm that sits up and is seen throught he side of the shell, or vice versa, the dead straight outer edge left arm... there is so much wrong in that picture, it should be seriously questioned.

best wishes

Phil

Phil
A word of caution if you start questioning accepted facts you will incur the wrath of the "The Muppets"

[belinda]

What horrible photos. Poor Kate. It looks to me like her tounge is visible above her mouth. I don't really see teeth. It's not a very clear photo it probably never was given the circumstances. You could see all kinds of things in the shadows.

[robhouse]

I think Jukka is right.. that is not Kate's arm, it is part of the coffin... so no tattoo.

RH

[Phil Carter]

Hello David,

That original. That is now back at Kew isn't it?

To me, and it is only a quiet guess, it is a composite pic. I don't say I'm correct by any means.. but the right arm, the "collar", the waist, the lack of wounds that SHOULD be there all the way up, the "teeth" under the chin, the "image" of the man with head, shoulders and torso by her left shoulder, the "tattoo" which isn't a tattoo, no TC tattoo, the writing though the horizontal lines, the supposed injuries to the lower body that look like letters (rotate right 90 degrees), the right arm that sits up and is seen throught he side of the shell, or vice versa, the dead straight outer edge left arm... there is so much wrong in that picture, it should be seriously questioned.

best wishes

Phil

[DVV]

I don't know, Phil.
This is a scan of an old pic, in which nothing is neatly visible.
But what we see and what we don't see make worth examining the original and perhaps question its (his)story - be it just for knowledge.

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

David,

You got it in in one. I think you may be right.
Does all this give us enough to question the photograph as authentic?

best wishes

Phil

[DVV]

Posing may well be the appropriate word...indeed.

Phil

Posing or superposing (?)!

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Hello David,

Posing may well be the appropriate word...indeed.

Have a look at the left arm... ever seen one so straight on the outer edge?

best wishes

Phil

[DVV]

And looking at that arm coming down, it looks "high".. as if it is resting on the side of the "shell"?
Phil

That's what I would call posing, Phil.

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Hello DVV,

Yes, the arm looks "wrong", size wise.(to me, and clearly you as well.)

And looking at that arm coming down, it looks "high".. as if it is resting on the side of the "shell"?
I only ask..

best wishes

Phil

[DVV]

Hi Jukka and Phil,

I don't see any lid, but just my eyes... Anyway, your suggestion indicates that you too see something unclear in the "right arm and shell area".

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Hello Neil,

I know you don't want to, and I know your honest intensions... but it STILL isn't the answer is it. There's NO TC, no initials... nothing. Plus the fact that the "wound" isn't there... Plus the fact that a row of "seemingly look alike pearly whites under her chin", plus the figure of a man to her left, plus the writing in the horizontal lines bottom right to above bottom left. Plus the fact the mouth is painted over (and the nostrils,) and the amazing point she SEEMS to have a chemise on..look at the collar under the "cut", plus the possibility that the body looks cut off at the bottom...The shoulder on one arm is totally wrong, size wise, there is enough in that picture to have grave doubts. And you wouldn't see the arm THROUGH the side of a wooden shell either. Enough to raise HUGE questions as to the authenticity of that photo.

Anyone seem what the "tattoo" says yet?

best wishes

Phil