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I thought I'd help resurrect this thread, originally started by Grey Hunter.
Here's some of the initial posts:
These following posts were made to the thread:
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The Ever Changing Provenance of the 'Diary'
Posted by: Grey Hunter
On: 29th May 2007 05:48 PM
In view of the latest claim that the provenance of the 'diary' has changed, yet again, I thought that a thread covering this aspect would be appropriate. It may be added to at any time as new information comes to light.
First we should remember that back in the heady days of 1992-1993 it was proposed that it had been found in Battlecrease House in Aigburth, Maybrick's former home, during extensive re-wiring work which had begun in 1990. The owner of the house, Paul Dodd, stated he had no knowledge of any documents being discovered. The head of the company which carried out the work, Colin Rhodes, director of Garston electrical contractors 'Portus Rhodes' said he had spoken to workmen who had been employed on the work and "They haven't been able to shed any light on it at all. It seems strange that if it was found in the house, nobody said anything about it at the time. I am a personal friend of Paul Dodd, so it is very embarrassing to have people suggesting that one of my employees has taken it. I would like to find out what has happened so as to lift the suspicion from my employees."
Of course Mike Barrett had claimed that he was given the 'diary' by Tony Devereux who had died in 1991. Devereux's daughters stated that they had no knowledge of such a 'diary'.
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Hi Grey Hunter...doesn't the "JtR" Diary have the same...
Posted by: cappuccina
On: 29th May 2007 06:09 PM
...provenance as the Hitler Diary and the "Battle of the Alamo" Diary?
My understanding is that the following works were also found in Tony Devereux' basement:
_Epistle to the Laodiceans_
_Theology of Aristotle_
Ademar of Chabannes' _Life of St. Martial _
Thomas Chatterton's pseudo-medieval poetry
Ossianic poems
_Manuscript of Dvůr Králové _and _Manuscript of Zelená Hora_
The _Book of the Zohar_, a primary text of medieval Kabbalah.
The _Salamander Letter_, which offered an alternative account of Joseph Smith's finding of the _Book of Mormon_.
Clifford Irving's _Howard Hughes Autobiography_
Each of these works comes with a free "Piltdown Man" tooth as well...
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Posted by: rjpalmer
On: 29th May 2007 07:11 PM
In regards to Grey Hunter’s post above. I’ve been looking for a post on the old Casebook CD but have failed to find it. Four or five years ago a man proporting to be a Liverpool or Merseyside electrician or electrician’s assistant made a one-time post on these forums, claiming to have inside information about the diary’s provenance. He referred to Barrett (Mike, not Syd) and some sort of intrigue (my memory is hazy). His post was entirely ignored at the time, but I noticed that not many months afterwards certain posters began referring to an ‘old provenance re-examined’ or some such phrase, as well as an on-going investigation in Liverpool. Unless he was an impostor, I reckon this fellow was one of the electricians mentioned by Feldman-- part of this same ‘Garston’ episode. If anyone has better luck at navigating the old CD than I do, perhaps they could re-post the original message?
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Posted by: oberlin
On: 29th May 2007 08:07 PM
Hi R.J.,
Are you referring to this bit? It's from the Maybrick-Diary Archives 2001, archive through April 17.
"Darren Bytheway, 09 April 2001, 05:49 am":
As a mater of interest to some of you, a colleague of mine knows the workmen who found the diary. It was found in the loft at Battlecrease House under some rubbish, not under the floorboards as has been suggested.
And:
"Darren Bytheway, 09 April 2001, 03:56 p.m.":
hi caz, this colleague of mine did know these workers very well as at the time he was in the same profession as they are , he comes from liverpool and the guys who found it were two *electrician* who were re-wiring battlecrease and the company was called rigbys (as far as i can remember). this all started a couple of months ago when my mate lent me the video on the maybrick diary,(i am a jack the ripper nut).anyway me and my mate was talking about this the next day ,and my other mate who as only just joined our company,came out with this lot and he as no reason to tell lies,i cant tell names as i work for a very big company in the UK . cheers daz.
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Posted by: rjpalmer
On: 29th May 2007 08:34 PM
Well done, Inspector. Mr. Bytheway is indeed the chap I was trying to recall. Many thanks.
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Posted by: omlor
On: 29th May 2007 09:58 PM
My thanks to those who have contributed to this thread with the archive material.
If I read it right, the second entry is a response to Caroline Morris from someone who calls himself "Daz."
Daz & Caz. It's just too cute for words.
Anyway, let's hope this guy proves to be the source of Keith Skinner's super secret squirrel evidence. It would just go to prove that there's never anything really new in Diary World after all. Or, as someone once sang, "everything old is new again."
Remember, you don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle.
--John
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Posted by: baron
On: 29th May 2007 10:26 PM
Bytheway is someone's name? Surely it was made up.
Mike
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Posted by: PerryMason
On: 29th May 2007 10:40 PM
---Quote (Originally by cappuccina)---
...provenance as the Hitler Diary and the "Battle of the Alamo" Diary?
---End Quote---
Hi Ms Caps,
Actually there are legitimate letters written by the men while in the Alamo, and rememberances by the Mexican townspeople and Mexican military as well as those of Crockett, Houston, Joe the slave of Bowie and many others.........so in the case of the Alamo, the providence is actually real.
No insult intended to Diary believers.
Cheers Cap, all.
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Posted by: simonowen
On: 29th May 2007 10:54 PM
Well , Daz didn't remember the name of the company very well ( Rhodes/Rigbys ) but the provenance of this story is dodgy anyway. Its essentially ' I heard this tale from a workmate of mine , who was an electrician in Liverpool , who knew two guys who were electricians who found the Diary in Battlecrease House attic '. Presumably these guys also knew Tony Devreaux since they gave him the Diary which Tony gave to Mike Barrett etc...
If this is the provenance for the Diary then how can Keith Skinner come up with ' If I were free to disclose everything I know and the evidence I have and were asked in a court of law, I would be prepared to say that yes, this diary came out of Battlecrease House ' ? Maybe hes spoken to the eponymous ' two electricians ' ?
All the best,
Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Forums
Here's some of the initial posts:
These following posts were made to the thread:
************
The Ever Changing Provenance of the 'Diary'
Posted by: Grey Hunter
On: 29th May 2007 05:48 PM
In view of the latest claim that the provenance of the 'diary' has changed, yet again, I thought that a thread covering this aspect would be appropriate. It may be added to at any time as new information comes to light.
First we should remember that back in the heady days of 1992-1993 it was proposed that it had been found in Battlecrease House in Aigburth, Maybrick's former home, during extensive re-wiring work which had begun in 1990. The owner of the house, Paul Dodd, stated he had no knowledge of any documents being discovered. The head of the company which carried out the work, Colin Rhodes, director of Garston electrical contractors 'Portus Rhodes' said he had spoken to workmen who had been employed on the work and "They haven't been able to shed any light on it at all. It seems strange that if it was found in the house, nobody said anything about it at the time. I am a personal friend of Paul Dodd, so it is very embarrassing to have people suggesting that one of my employees has taken it. I would like to find out what has happened so as to lift the suspicion from my employees."
Of course Mike Barrett had claimed that he was given the 'diary' by Tony Devereux who had died in 1991. Devereux's daughters stated that they had no knowledge of such a 'diary'.
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Hi Grey Hunter...doesn't the "JtR" Diary have the same...
Posted by: cappuccina
On: 29th May 2007 06:09 PM
...provenance as the Hitler Diary and the "Battle of the Alamo" Diary?
My understanding is that the following works were also found in Tony Devereux' basement:
_Epistle to the Laodiceans_
_Theology of Aristotle_
Ademar of Chabannes' _Life of St. Martial _
Thomas Chatterton's pseudo-medieval poetry
Ossianic poems
_Manuscript of Dvůr Králové _and _Manuscript of Zelená Hora_
The _Book of the Zohar_, a primary text of medieval Kabbalah.
The _Salamander Letter_, which offered an alternative account of Joseph Smith's finding of the _Book of Mormon_.
Clifford Irving's _Howard Hughes Autobiography_
Each of these works comes with a free "Piltdown Man" tooth as well...
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Posted by: rjpalmer
On: 29th May 2007 07:11 PM
In regards to Grey Hunter’s post above. I’ve been looking for a post on the old Casebook CD but have failed to find it. Four or five years ago a man proporting to be a Liverpool or Merseyside electrician or electrician’s assistant made a one-time post on these forums, claiming to have inside information about the diary’s provenance. He referred to Barrett (Mike, not Syd) and some sort of intrigue (my memory is hazy). His post was entirely ignored at the time, but I noticed that not many months afterwards certain posters began referring to an ‘old provenance re-examined’ or some such phrase, as well as an on-going investigation in Liverpool. Unless he was an impostor, I reckon this fellow was one of the electricians mentioned by Feldman-- part of this same ‘Garston’ episode. If anyone has better luck at navigating the old CD than I do, perhaps they could re-post the original message?
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Posted by: oberlin
On: 29th May 2007 08:07 PM
Hi R.J.,
Are you referring to this bit? It's from the Maybrick-Diary Archives 2001, archive through April 17.
"Darren Bytheway, 09 April 2001, 05:49 am":
As a mater of interest to some of you, a colleague of mine knows the workmen who found the diary. It was found in the loft at Battlecrease House under some rubbish, not under the floorboards as has been suggested.
And:
"Darren Bytheway, 09 April 2001, 03:56 p.m.":
hi caz, this colleague of mine did know these workers very well as at the time he was in the same profession as they are , he comes from liverpool and the guys who found it were two *electrician* who were re-wiring battlecrease and the company was called rigbys (as far as i can remember). this all started a couple of months ago when my mate lent me the video on the maybrick diary,(i am a jack the ripper nut).anyway me and my mate was talking about this the next day ,and my other mate who as only just joined our company,came out with this lot and he as no reason to tell lies,i cant tell names as i work for a very big company in the UK . cheers daz.
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Posted by: rjpalmer
On: 29th May 2007 08:34 PM
Well done, Inspector. Mr. Bytheway is indeed the chap I was trying to recall. Many thanks.
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Posted by: omlor
On: 29th May 2007 09:58 PM
My thanks to those who have contributed to this thread with the archive material.
If I read it right, the second entry is a response to Caroline Morris from someone who calls himself "Daz."
Daz & Caz. It's just too cute for words.
Anyway, let's hope this guy proves to be the source of Keith Skinner's super secret squirrel evidence. It would just go to prove that there's never anything really new in Diary World after all. Or, as someone once sang, "everything old is new again."
Remember, you don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle.
--John
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Posted by: baron
On: 29th May 2007 10:26 PM
Bytheway is someone's name? Surely it was made up.
Mike
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Posted by: PerryMason
On: 29th May 2007 10:40 PM
---Quote (Originally by cappuccina)---
...provenance as the Hitler Diary and the "Battle of the Alamo" Diary?
---End Quote---
Hi Ms Caps,
Actually there are legitimate letters written by the men while in the Alamo, and rememberances by the Mexican townspeople and Mexican military as well as those of Crockett, Houston, Joe the slave of Bowie and many others.........so in the case of the Alamo, the providence is actually real.
No insult intended to Diary believers.
Cheers Cap, all.
************
Posted by: simonowen
On: 29th May 2007 10:54 PM
Well , Daz didn't remember the name of the company very well ( Rhodes/Rigbys ) but the provenance of this story is dodgy anyway. Its essentially ' I heard this tale from a workmate of mine , who was an electrician in Liverpool , who knew two guys who were electricians who found the Diary in Battlecrease House attic '. Presumably these guys also knew Tony Devreaux since they gave him the Diary which Tony gave to Mike Barrett etc...
If this is the provenance for the Diary then how can Keith Skinner come up with ' If I were free to disclose everything I know and the evidence I have and were asked in a court of law, I would be prepared to say that yes, this diary came out of Battlecrease House ' ? Maybe hes spoken to the eponymous ' two electricians ' ?
All the best,
Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Forums
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