The cross/lechmere theory - a newbie's thoughts

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

Cross is also a better suspect than William Gull. At least Cross was less than 70 years old.

Hi Lewis,

True. We can move him up to 193 on the list

[Herlock Sholmes]

All the more reason why we should analyse the situation and the persons involved further.

I remember Neil saying there was not a soul about, Mizen, Thail, Neil, no one saw anybody around that night, Nichols was not seen with anyone either, in Whitechapel street Neil just saw women going back home, it was a very narrow space for the Killer, and yet we have a person who was seen standing near the victim alone in the dark.


The Baron

The killer escaped before Cross arrived. We’re talking about three police officers so it’s not as if the streets were teeming with Constable’s. How difficult could it be to avoid a Constable in the dark? No police officer saw the killer anywhere as far as we know. And do we really think that those three Constable’s didn’t see a single person in the streets?

I’ll go there again Baron….you favour an earlier ToD for Chapman (fine, it’s your opinion) So let’s speculate that she was killed earlier. Then we have Richardson sitting a foot from the body but claiming that he could see the whole yard and there was nothing there. If it was indeed an earlier ToD then Richardson is a better suspect that Cross by a country mile. I have heard you insisting that we look into Richardson though.

Being next to a recently killed body isn’t suspicious.

A man who as just brutally murdered a woman in the street, who had a bloodied knife on him and who can’t be completely sure that he hasn’t gotten blood on him, stands waiting for a completely stranger to arrive.

Now that’s suspicious. It’s the textbook action of a completely innocent man.

[Lewis C]

Why is Cross a better suspect than John Davis? Both found bodies. Both ‘could’ have been there earlier than claimed. Both ‘could’ have lied. Finding a body isn’t an indication of guilt. It’s an indication of finding a body. The police always look into the ‘finder’ of course but the ‘finder’ is never the killer. The killer has always scarpered because you would have to be a colossal moron to stand around with a bloodied knife in your pocket knowing that a police officer will make an appearance soon.

Cross is a rubbish suspect. Not only that but he’s an obviously rubbish suspect.

He's better than Van Gogh though. At least he was in the same country as the victims.

Hi Herlock,

Cross is also a better suspect than William Gull. At least Cross was less than 70 years old.

[The Baron]

There’s nothing more to explore on Cross. He’s a rubbish suspect. Created, proposed and perpetuated using dishonesty, the editing and manipulation of evidence, the distortion of the English language and blatant self-interest. The whole thing embarrassment to the subject.

All the more reason why we should analyse the situation and the persons involved further.

I remember Neil saying there was not a soul about, Mizen, Thail, Neil, no one saw anybody around that night, Nichols was not seen with anyone either, in Whitechapel street Neil just saw women going back home, it was a very narrow space for the Killer, and yet we have a person who was seen standing near the victim alone in the dark.


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

There’s nothing more to explore on Cross. He’s a rubbish suspect. Created, proposed and perpetuated using dishonesty, the editing and manipulation of evidence, the distortion of the English language and blatant self-interest. The whole thing embarrassment to the subject.

[The Baron]

Ok, it’s back to waffle is it? I thought for a minute that you were actually going to answer a question sensibly. I should have known better.

Read my last post.

The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

I understand, it must be difficult for you to blatantly admit, no problem

At least we have a progression, you now know the difference!!!


Bravo!


The Baron

Ok, it’s back to waffle is it? I thought for a minute that you were actually going to answer a question sensibly. I should have known better.

[The Baron]

Again, Lechmere for me is NOT a great suspect, the old theory has some bugs, this is an exercise to test different scenarios, I do believe that this man should be explored further, the way Fisherman and Co. prestented the case against the carman is not convincing, for me at least, and I welcome any suggestion where a guilty Lechmere might have a chance to get rid of the bloody knife before talking to Mizen.



The Baron

[The Baron]

But again, that goes for thousands. It’s not a good enough reason to suggest Cross as a good suspect.

I understand, it must be difficult for you to blatantly admit, no problem

At least we have a progression, you now know the difference!!!


Bravo!


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Because he was spotted near a recently killed woman, we don't know if he was the killer, or as you wish to think he was the finder.



The Baron

But again, that goes for thousands. It’s not a good enough reason to suggest Cross as a good suspect.

There are very good reasons to make him unlikely - on his way to work, didn’t flee when he had the chance, no suspicious behaviour….but not one that makes him likely. Not one.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Not to worry Hurley, the good news is we can all stop this Lechmere silliness because on his Beard thread The Baron has proclaimed the bearded Lechmere innocent. "Once bearded always bearded."

So I say - Congratulations to us all !

I’d forgotten about that point Paddy. Of course.

So what about the beard Baron?

[Paddy Goose]

Hello Paddy,

As you can see, I’m doing a poor job of avoiding talk about Cross.

Not to worry Hurley, the good news is we can all stop this Lechmere silliness because on his Beard thread The Baron has proclaimed the bearded Lechmere innocent. "Once bearded always bearded."

So I say - Congratulations to us all !

[The Baron]

So what makes Cross any more suspicious than every single person in human history that found a body?

Because he was spotted near a recently killed woman, we don't know if he was the killer, or as you wish to think he was the finder.



The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

I will tell you the answe, so hear me now:


We are not just saying Lechmere was there, we are saying
... do you hear me .... we are saying...



He was SPOTTED standing near a freshly killed woman.


If it is not clear enough I still can make the font bigger.


Has Paul never come that road, we wouldn't know what Lechmere might have done.


Spotted



The Baron

Give it a rest Baron. That’s just another way of saying he was there!!

Why was he there?

Because he was there every day at that time.

Because he was on his way to work.

Because he was acting as he did for 6 days a week.


So why is that behaviour suddenly suspicious because on that day there was a body there? Was his behaviour suspicious the previous day when there wasn’t a body there?

So what makes Cross any more suspicious than every single person in human history that found a body? And don’t just quote the ‘recently killed’ crap because this was a police patrolled street so whenever a body is found it’s going to be recently killed.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Good afternoon Hurley,



I beg to disagree. They were both bearded.

Hello Paddy,

As you can see, I’m doing a poor job of avoiding talk about Cross.