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Originally posted by wolfie1 View Posthow do you wear a handkerchief, is it around the neck?
From the Chapman inquest:
You have seen that handkerchief? - I recognise it as one which the deceased used to wear. She bought it of a lodger, and she was wearing it when she left the lodging-house. She was wearing it three-corner ways, placed round her neck
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Originally posted by Jon Guy View PostAnnie Chapman wore a handkerchief around her neck.
From the Chapman inquest:
You have seen that handkerchief? - I recognise it as one which the deceased used to wear. She bought it of a lodger, and she was wearing it when she left the lodging-house. She was wearing it three-corner ways, placed round her neck
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Just wondering...
If it's not Eddowes' shawl, then where did it come from?
To recap: it's a piece of old material, stained with blood and semen and owned by the family of an ex policeman who believe it came from a Victorian crime scene.
I'm guessing they probably didn't buy it in Woolworths in the 1960's.
MrB
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Originally posted by Fisherman View PostQuite so! Of course, it is argued that he was on "special duty" - but Stewart Evans tells us - if I got it right - that the records of special duty assigned policemen still exist. And Simpson is ot listed amongst them.
The best,
Fisherman
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Originally posted by Lechmere View PostThe crime scene picture certainly doesn’t show a spare bit of cloth anywhere.
Stewart Evans reproduced somewhere the original information from Amos Simpson’s family regarding their oral tradition concerning the cloth.
I believe this tradition was a bit vague about where or how Amos Simpson came by it, although they definitely claimed a Ripper connection.
In other words whether Amos Simpson was on supposed to be on special duties, whether he obtained it while the body was in situ in Mitre Square or on its way to the morgue, is unclear from information originally supplied from the family
It was first brought to the attention of people outside their family in 1988.
It is clear from the extant records of what happened in Mitre Square that the names of every policeman or bystander was not recorded.
A Metropolitan Policeman was a constable in the City of London.
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Originally posted by Monty View Posthttp://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Ja...ail/story.html
Even the Daddy of DNA profiling has his doubts.
Monty
This website shows that it is concentrated in that part of Russia to the East of the Black Sea but very rare in Poland where Kosminski hailed from and categorically 'not found in Jews.' This seems to me to be a bit of a problem - including, it must be said, for his present day collateral descendants.
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Originally posted by Prosector View PostI am currently reading the book and when Dr Jari announced the mtDNA haplotype it was T1a1. He said that it was 'Russian.' This initially gave Russell Edwards pause for thought but he gets around it by stating that in 1888 Russian and Polish were synonymous. The problem is that the T1a1 hapolotype is not found in Jews. See
This website shows that it is concentrated in that part of Russia to the East of the Black Sea but very rare in Poland where Kosminski hailed from and categorically 'not found in Jews.' This seems to me to be a bit of a problem - including, it must be said, for his present day collateral descendants.
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Originally posted by Pontius2000 View PostOh, so just as many police- and added police- worked the day shift? Because so many of the JtR murders were occurring in broad daylight, right?
And to answer my question that you skipped over....Charles Warren of the MET POLICE went into the CITY OF LONDON and ordered that the graffiti be erased. That obliterates your theory that cops don't just cross over into other jurisdiction during times of chaos. He said he did it to prevent violence against Jews. By your logic, the Jews in the city of London weren't really Warren's concern, right?
Again, I don't want it to sound like I'm supporting this new book, because I'm not. The whole thing reeks of fraud. And while I've not read the book, I agree that it sounds like the author went out looking for the answers that conveniently fit his own preconceived theory. But at the same time, I've read A LOT of comments on this thread which are automatically dismissing any of this shawl story outright because it doesn't seem to fit the poster's pet theory. As far as I'm concerned, nothing plausible should be automatically accepted OR dismissed.
I don't think everyone hear is dismissing the claims out right.
Please understand that all previous wisdom on the shawl/Table runner was that it was Edwardian. If that opinion has been changed by more detailed and accurate dating measures that obviously the Shawl becomes something that at least existed in 1888.
Frankly the proinance and history seem fairly unlikely. But I don't think you'll find everyone here will dismiss out of hand new evidence.
All the best
Yours Jeff
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Originally posted by Prosector View PostI am currently reading the book and when Dr Jari announced the mtDNA haplotype it was T1a1. He said that it was 'Russian.' This initially gave Russell Edwards pause for thought but he gets around it by stating that in 1888 Russian and Polish were synonymous. The problem is that the T1a1 hapolotype is not found in Jews. See
This website shows that it is concentrated in that part of Russia to the East of the Black Sea but very rare in Poland where Kosminski hailed from and categorically 'not found in Jews.' This seems to me to be a bit of a problem - including, it must be said, for his present day collateral descendants.
Prosector
Yours Jeff
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