Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

[Monty]

So youve conducted tests, or rather had tests conducted, upon the marginalia Trevor?

Monty

[Jeff Leahy]

The link goes to the book and details of how it can be purchased

Damn I've gone and lost my wallet

Yours Jeff

[Trevor Marriott]

The link just goes to your site Trevor

The authenticity has been done to death, and I see know reason to doubt what Adam is saying. Most historical documents are judged on there provenance and clearly a hand writing expert with a large number of samples concluded it was written by Swanson.

So its probably best to move on and accept its genuine. Clearly those who don't like what it says or contains, would never be satisfied that its genuine.

Personally I think the oral history confirms what I've been saying, that Swanson supports Anderson's claims that the identity of the killer was known to police. Thats the two most senior officers working on the case, saying the same thing..

Yours Jeff

The link goes to the book and details of how it can be purchased

[Jeff Leahy]

Thanks I would urge a few more to do the same it shows that the reports are not as conclusive as some would have us believe. Follow the link

http://www.trevormarriott.co.uk/?page_id=191

The link just goes to your site Trevor

The authenticity has been done to death, and I see know reason to doubt what Adam is saying. Most historical documents are judged on there provenance and clearly a hand writing expert with a large number of samples concluded it was written by Swanson.

So its probably best to move on and accept its genuine. Clearly those who don't like what it says or contains, would never be satisfied that its genuine.

Personally I think the oral history confirms what I've been saying, that Swanson supports Anderson's claims that the identity of the killer was known to police. Thats the two most senior officers working on the case, saying the same thing..

Yours Jeff

[Mr Lucky]

Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

Hello Harry,

This is a ripperology versus reality situation.

The location is unknown, there are no witnesses that fit the description, there is no one in the records who matches the 'Polish Jew' suspect and what Anderson states is in direct contrast to the known workings of the law.

So clearly according to the principles of ripperology there is no need for you or any one else to do anything other than blindly accept what Anderson states as gospel, and there is no need to starting asking awkward questions or encouraging any sort of honest inquiry here at all - it's not like we're trying to solve a mystery or anything!

Just remember the motto of the UK ripperology industry - 'Don't think'

[Trevor Marriott]

Thank you I shall read

Thanks I would urge a few more to do the same it shows that the reports are not as conclusive as some would have us believe. Follow the link

http://www.trevormarriott.co.uk/?page_id=191

[pinkmoon]

Thank you I shall read

[Trevor Marriott]

Thanks for posting this I have already downloaded it and read it certainly makes interesting reading however I am still not convinced I'm highly critical of the Kosminski insert like I said I'm not knocking anyone on here and I respect your research but maybe it's just because I've always been a sceptical person but I do think these margin notes are dubious.many regards to you all jason

Hi
Now you have read that article you might want to read my take on these examinations and how I beleive they are unsafe to rely on
This article form part of the chapter on the topic to be found in "Jack the ripper the secret police files"

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[pinkmoon]

A photocopy of the marginalia was given a cursory look at by Dr Richard Totty, Assistant Director of the Home Office Forensic Science Laboratory, in 1988.

The actual marginalia was examined by Dr Christopher Davies of the Metropolitan Police Forensic Science Laboratory, while the book was loaned to Scotland Yard's Crime Museum in 2006.

Dr Davies conducted a second examination in 2012 after several documents and letters written by Swanson were 'rediscovered' by Nevill Swanson while sorting through paperwork, giving an opportunity to compare against a much wider range of sample handwriting.

You might be interested in reading this:

https://www.ripperologist.biz/marginalia.pdf

Best wishes
Adam

Thanks for posting this I have already downloaded it and read it certainly makes interesting reading however I am still not convinced I'm highly critical of the Kosminski insert like I said I'm not knocking anyone on here and I respect your research but maybe it's just because I've always been a sceptical person but I do think these margin notes are dubious.many regards to you all jason

[Jeff Leahy]

A photocopy of the marginalia was given a cursory look at by Dr Richard Totty, Assistant Director of the Home Office Forensic Science Laboratory, in 1988.

The actual marginalia was examined by Dr Christopher Davies of the Metropolitan Police Forensic Science Laboratory, while the book was loaned to Scotland Yard's Crime Museum in 2006.

Dr Davies conducted a second examination in 2012 after several documents and letters written by Swanson were 'rediscovered' by Nevill Swanson while sorting through paperwork, giving an opportunity to compare against a much wider range of sample handwriting.

You might be interested in reading this:

https://www.ripperologist.biz/marginalia.pdf

Best wishes
Adam

Many thanks for that Adam. I wasn't aware that Davis had made a second examination. Very well written article.

I was also curious about the Oral history: "But after he retired in 1903 he did reveal to members of the family that he knew the true identity of Jack the Ripper, but wild horses wouldn’t drag the name out of him”

Do you know the origin of this family history?

Many thanks

Yours Jeff

[AdamNeilWood]

Let the original be tested not photocopies I believe there is a test that can reveal when pencil was put to paper it's been tested but it hasn't been tested thouroughly.In my vast collection of ripper books (which ended up in the charity shop when I went paperless and acquired a kindle)I used to write notes in pencil and underline things but I never felt the need to initial my work that always struck me strange that Swanson did this and from the copies I've examined on line the added bit about Kosminski does look a lot different like I said before it's my opinion but the initial thing always made me wonder.

A photocopy of the marginalia was given a cursory look at by Dr Richard Totty, Assistant Director of the Home Office Forensic Science Laboratory, in 1988.

The actual marginalia was examined by Dr Christopher Davies of the Metropolitan Police Forensic Science Laboratory, while the book was loaned to Scotland Yard's Crime Museum in 2006.

Dr Davies conducted a second examination in 2012 after several documents and letters written by Swanson were 'rediscovered' by Nevill Swanson while sorting through paperwork, giving an opportunity to compare against a much wider range of sample handwriting.

You might be interested in reading this:

https://www.ripperologist.biz/marginalia.pdf

Best wishes
Adam

[Jeff Leahy]

If Aaron Kozminski is "Kosminski" and if he was Jack the Ripper then there is, perhaps, another forgotten "victim"; his sister Matilda Lubnowski.

Hi Karsten

Is it possible to re-post the information and times on the Matilda knife incident?

Just as a quick reminder, for a number of reasons I'm more interested in Bethlam than Holloway. However I think I've pretty much established from the Ladies admissions book that they did take Jewish patients and people from Eastend…remember one woman admitted in Sept 1889 was actually given as cause of madness 'Whitechapel Murders' unfortunately I could discover no more about this woman.

The question with Holloway is could Rees-Philips have had some connection to Jewish communities in the Eastend and so far we've drawn a blank. Will keep searching.

Yours jeff

[S.Brett]

Hi Karsten

Yes I didn't wish to appear critical of Paul Begg. I think he's fairly well known for being cautious.. The exact opposite of myself
Yours Jeff

Paul Begg, Robert House, Donald Rumbelow, Stewart P. Evans, Martin Fido are my heroes and there are many others I like; Neil Bell, Mike Covell, Pat Marshall, Jennifer Sheldon and Debra Arif…

If Aaron Kozminski is "Kosminski" and if he was Jack the Ripper then there is, perhaps, another forgotten "victim"; his sister Matilda Lubnowski.

[Jeff Leahy]

Good Morning!

Do you mean the gold watch and a metal chain belonging to Betsy and Woolf? There was a burglary at Woolf Abrahams´house in 1886.

Yes I was referencing the burglary and the man caught in the act of steeling the watch…thought it was Silver but was working from memory and yes Betsy ad Woolfe

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

"I think their suspect has to be top of the suspect list, *has* to be the prime candidate for further research. I don't know whether he was Jack the Ripper, but Anderson clearly thought so."
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Hi Karsten

Yes I didn't wish to appear critical of Paul Begg. I think he's fairly well known for being cautious.. The exact opposite of myself

But this is very much as I've understood his position that if further research should be done this would be the most useful line of enquiry. Which I whole heartedly agree with. I don't believe it can be understated how much if not most of what we owe to the subject derives from Fido and Begg.

I have been noting with interest the news paper clippings from Rees-Philips. I believe Catrin has more somewhere on him and did some background research. We'll push this back to Surrey History Centre.

But I was most intrigued by the payments weekly rates with quartly advances. If they were requesting this form of payment at Holloway it seems reasonable that it was widely used practice. While I've always propositioned the cyclicure nature of schizophrenia to explain Aaron coming and going from a private asylum, perhaps a more simple explanation was money?

If they had to pay in advance then he'd be back on the streets the moment the money ran out..

Yours Jeff