Tell me who JTR was

[lynn cates]

full regalia

Hello Christer. Thanks.

"No, it's just based on the possibility that it was the same killer and the same approximate MO in all cases."

Approximate MO now? Well, well.

"So Kelly goes out 3.32 sharp, she finds a punter (or, to be more exact, the "punter" finds her). . ."

And the evidence for going out?

". . . they go to Kelly's room, and the killer suddenly realizes that this time there is no risk of people passing by, meaning that he do not have to rush things for once."

Really? I should think various were passing by. Of course, if he KNEW there schedules . . .

"So as she undresses, he sits back for a minute . . ."

Dressed in full regalia.

". . . savouring the moment, and when she creeps into the bed, asking him "What are you waiting for, Duckie?"

"And what is that bulge under your clothes AND located to one side?"

". . . he doesn't wait any longer."

No. He removes his coat, whips out his weapon, er, knife, and advances. She conveniently forgets to scream.

"Just a suggestion--that fits with the evidence and the other canonicals."

Other canonicals? Fit? Glad you don't sell shoes. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

lynn cates:

Hello Christer. Thanks.

Approximate MO now? Well, well.

Would you expect the exact same thing? No two killings are completely alike, as you know.

And the evidence for going out?

Itīs the exact same as the evidence for staying in - itīs non-existant. Unless you ask me for evidence that prostitutes go out for business...?

Really? I should think various were passing by. Of course, if he KNEW there schedules . . .

Various passing by? Outside the walls, you mean? That is another matter, is it not?

Dressed in full regalia.

Says who? Itīs you that postulate that he would hide the knife under his garments. I am equally happy with a perspective where he has the knife in his apron, placed on the table. After that, he could be nude as you like. My own feeling is that he did not want to undress, since that would be somewhat precarious if somebody came along and he had to flee.
Nude killers have a harder time hiding out.

How many times in history do you think a punter has said "Undress for me!", by the way?

"And what is that bulge under your clothes AND located to one side?"

And if he carried it on his back? No? Or if it was on the table, in his apron? No? Or if it ... No? It could only be the way you jester about? Yes?

"Just a suggestion--that fits with the evidence and the other canonicals."

Other canonicals? Fit? Glad you don't sell shoes. (heh-heh)

Fine. then tell me why it does not fit with the other canonicals. And then you can start selling shoes.

But not to me.

All the best,
Fisherman

[Harry D]

So far we've had Crossmere, Joseph Fleming, and James Kelly, as the outstanding candidates? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyone want to throw another hat into the ring?

[pinkmoon]

So far we've had Crossmere, Joseph Fleming, and James Kelly, as the outstanding candidates? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyone want to throw another hat into the ring?

Please don't forget Druitt he is my pick of the bunch.

[Harry D]

Please don't forget Druitt he is my pick of the bunch.

Wasn't he busy playing cricket during two of the murders? Please provide your reasoning for why Druitt is the outstanding candidate.

[pinkmoon]

Hi Harry,Druitt is my favourite for the crown of jack the ripper because of the following reasons 1, he was named by a very high ranking and respected police officer 2,his own family suspected him.3,with his father been a doctor he might well have had some form of anatomical knowledge.4,he was single so would be able to turn up at home with some human organs .5,he suffers some major turmoil with his mother been placed in an aslylum.6,he was respectable looking and wasn't short of a few quid this might have put his victims at ease.7,he died at the right time 8, sir Melville chose him over another highly regarded suspect 9,he didn't live locally,10,the story that was doing the rounds shortly after the last murder that the killer had been fished out of the Thames fits him nicely.

[Hatchett]

Hi Harry,

I think the answer to your original question is that a lot of people each have a suspect, and yet there is no direct evidence against anyone.

I think that mirrors the views of the two police forces at the time.

That is the infuriating thing about the case, and also its allurment.

The greatest unsolved criminal mystery.

Best wishes.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Who done it

Person or persons unknown. Certainly unproven.

[lynn cates]

knife

Hello Christer. Thanks.

First, let me apologise for misspelling the possessive pronoun. Shocking.

Now, I was taken aback that you have toned down MO to an approximate one. Well done.

"How many times in history do you think a punter has said "Undress for me!" by the way?"

Whilst he remained fully clothed?

By the way, you did not add one where "MJK" HANDED him the knife. Slipping?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

hasty generalisation

Hello Harry. Fleming, in my humble opinion, is a fine candidate for "MJK." But let's not extrapolate to "JTR."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Whom done it?

Hello DLDW. Your tag line, well . . . the devil made me do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tgjkq-xmO8

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

lynn cates:

Hello Christer.

... you have toned down MO to an approximate one. Well done.

That was not me - it was the killer himself. And every other serial killer. None of them will exactly repeat any murder.

"How many times in history do you think a punter has said "Undress for me!" by the way?"

Whilst he remained fully clothed?

Yes, exactly. Not that we have any proof at all that the killer WAS fully clothed, but as a theoretical construction, yes - how odd would it be for a man to want to see a woman undress before him, while keeping his own clothes on?

By the way, you did not add one where "MJK" HANDED him the knife. Slipping?

More like sleeping. Yawn.

The best,
Fisherman

[moonbegger]

As a Betting man I wouldn't mind throwing a pound or two each way on an outside bet (John Williams) of "Uncle jack" fame . There are some very interesting alignments and timings , even with the small controversy taken on board . We have Motive , Method , opportunity , Local Knowledge , Workhouse familiarity & connection to victims, even some evidence Too !
Make that a fiver each way

Moonbegger .

[Abby Normal]

My rather flip thread title aside, obviously the Whitechapel Murders will go down as one of the greatest unsolved crimes in history. However... based on the mountains of circumstantial evidence, witness testimony, police reports and criminal psychology, is there ONE suspect you believe stands out above the rest, even if the distinction is by the width of a gnat's wing? Whatever pet theories you hold, I'm here to be convinced.

Hi Harry
If ihad to make a guess it was blotchy. Ordinary joe, local, last credible suspect seen with Mary, is in her room with her where she as found murdered shortly thereafter. He fits the description of Lawendes man and Ada Wilson, and never comes forward to police.

After him, I go with hutch as suspect 1a. Corroborated stalking behavior, only comes forward after the inquest, too detailed a description of a seemingly fictional suspect.

These two along with Kelly, chapman, bury and koz I think are the best, with the rest of the suspects falling off considerably after these.

I think with these 6 suspects I would venture we would have a slightly better than 50/50 chance we have our killer.

That being said, I keep an open mind and must admit that even my top six are the least weak of a weak lot.

[pinkmoon]

Hi Harry
If ihad to make a guess it was blotchy. Ordinary joe, local, last credible suspect seen with Mary, is in her room with her where she as found murdered shortly thereafter. He fits the description of Lawendes man and Ada Wilson, and never comes forward to police.

After him, I go with hutch as suspect 1a. Corroborated stalking behavior, only comes forward after the inquest, too detailed a description of a seemingly fictional suspect.

These two along with Kelly, chapman, bury and koz I think are the best, with the rest of the suspects falling off considerably after these.

I think with these 6 suspects I would venture we would have a slightly better than 50/50 chance we have our killer.

That being said, I keep an open mind and must admit that even my top six are the least weak of a weak lot.

Hi Abby,you don't mention Druitt don't forget sir Melville chose him over kosminski.