Tell me who JTR was

[GUT]

G'day Fisherman

In which case we need not venture any guess that the two knew each other - she would have let any punter in the exact same way, and it indeed seems we have an example of this in Blotchy.

The best,
Fisherman

Be a strange prostitute who didn't let the punter in.

[Fisherman]

Be a strange prostitute who didn't let the punter in.

That it would!

The best,
Fisherman

[GUT]

There could have been dozens of people who knew how to get into Mary's room.

It seems likely she had been back on the game since Joe left, or since he lost his job. How many punters in that time.

Others in Miller's Court were known to be prostitutes, how many of their clients could have observed Mary's method of entry.

Then you have all the other visitors to the Court.

Then you have customers of McCarthy's shop who may have seen.

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
Could not her killer have resided in Dorset street, at one of the lodging houses, Mrs Maxwell informed the press, she had often seen her in the lodging house, which is backed by reports of helping her out...by residents.
Also we should not dismiss the letter stating the killer lived at the very house Mrs Maxwell lived, what a coincidence that was..?
If indeed the killer was staying there, he could have stalked Kelly for some time prior to her death, the lodging house was almost opposite Millers court..he could even have been the loitering man , and not Hutchinson...
Questions Folks....
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

when?

Hello Christer. Thanks.

"Or she met him in the street--in which case it's a whole different ballgame."

Any idea about when she went out? We have nothing solid after BFM. Of course, if she were alive and talking to a bloke in the morning . . .

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

one answer

Hello GUT. Thanks.

"But if it's the latter, the question is then, how did he know?"

I can think of only one answer--he would have known "MJK" and fairly well, along with the quirks of her abode.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

asleep

Hello GUT, Richard. Is the suggestion that "MJK" was asleep when he entered?

That might work, but, again, he would need to know how to get in--and quietly.

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
I think its a fair bet that the killer of Kelly, knew the layout of Millers court, and it was a premeditated act., The break in bit is a possibility, but not what I believed happen, it will take a lot to convince me that she was not killed by Maxwell's market porter, who ever he may have been.
Its a possibility that the man Mrs lewis saw was the same man that accosted Kelly at 845, he was aware of Kelly taken A man to her room, and after waiting for him to leave, and it not materializing , he caught up with her in the morning..and befriended her, and went to her room , either with her, or shortly after..
Regards Richard.

[Fisherman]

Any idea about when she went out? We have nothing solid after BFM.
Cheers.
LC

Yes, I think she went out around 3.32. I cannot be any more exact than so, I´m afraid.

All the best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Hi,
I think its a fair bet that the killer of Kelly, knew the layout of Millers court, and it was a premeditated act.

Hi Richard!

It seems that Tabram could have been killed by somebody who was a stranger to her, very likely a punter or somebody posing as a punter. She seemingly was the one who led the way to the murder site, and whatever premeditation there was would not have stretched to targetting Tabram specifically. It would instead - if it existed - have been a sketchy plan involving finding a prostitute and killing her.

It also seems that Nichols could have been killed by somebody who was a stranger to her, very likely a punter or somebody posing as a punter. She seemingly was the one who led the way to the murder site, and whatever premeditation there was would not have stretched to targetting Nichols specifically. It would instead - if it existed - have been a sketchy plan involving finding a prostitute and killing her.

Likewise, Chapman could well have been killed by somebody who was a stranger to her, very likely a punter or somebody posing as a punter. She seemingly was the one who led the way to the murder site, and whatever premeditation there was would not have stretched to targetting Chapman specifically. It would instead - if it existed - have been a sketchy plan involving finding a prostitute and killing her.

Eddowes? Well, she could have been killed by somebody who was a stranger to her, very likely a punter or somebody posing as a punter. She seemingly was the one who led the way to the murder site, and whatever premeditation there was would not have stretched to targetting Eddowes specifically. It would instead - if it existed - have been a sketchy plan involving finding a prostitute and killing her.

Stride is a bit more difficult with less traces around about who killed her, but she could have been killed by somebody who was a stranger to her, very likely a punter or somebody posing as a punter. She may well have led the way to the murder site, and whatever premeditation there was would not have stretched to targetting Stride specifically. It would instead - if it existed - have been a sketchy plan involving finding a prostitute and killing her.

I see a pattern here that is seemingly very obvious and half-compulsive.

Why would we think that Kelly - last in line - would have involved stalking and premeditation?

Why would we not think that Kelly too could have been killed by somebody who was a stranger to her, very likely a punter or somebody posing as a punter. Why would we exclude the possibility that she led the way to her room, the murder site, and that whatever premeditation there was would not have stretched to targetting Kelly specifically. Why would it not have been a case of yet another sketchy plan involving finding a prostitute and killing her, that suddenly found a surprised but thankful Ripper inside a room with lots of time on his hands?

All the best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

sound

Hello Richard. Thanks.

That works fine for me. Of course, Mrs. Maxwell is always doubted.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

How firm a foundation?

Hello Christer. Thanks.

But is that solid--or built on the shaky Hutch foundation?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

meanwhile . . .

Hello (again) Christer.

"Why would we exclude the possibility that she led the way to her room, the murder site"

Whilst the punter stood there in full garb, knife hidden under garments, as she undressed.

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

Hello Christer. Thanks.

But is that solid--or built on the shaky Hutch foundation?

Cheers.
LC

Solid...? You´re pulling my leg, Lynn!

No, it´s just based on the possibility that it was the same killer and the same approximate MO in all cases. So Kelly goes out 3.32 sharp , she finds a punter (or, to be more exact, the "punter" finds her), they go to Kellys room, and the killer suddenly realizes that this time there is no risk of people passing by, meaning that he do not have to rush things for once.
So as she undresses, he sits back for a minute, savouring the moment, and when she creeps into the bed, asking him "What are you waiting for, Duckie?", he doesn´t wait any longer.

Just a suggestion - that fits with the evidence and the other canonicals.

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Hello (again) Christer.

"Why would we exclude the possibility that she led the way to her room, the murder site"

Whilst the punter stood there in full garb, knife hidden under garments, as she undressed.

Cheers.
LC

See post 89.

The best,
Fisherman