Tell me who JTR was

[richardnunweek]

Hi Gut.
Yes Barnett, said she asked him, to read about the murders, but we only have only his word on that, he could hardly say...I read the papers to frighten her...
Still Barnett as a suspect is old hat now, and more or less dismissed....very unwise not to have some reservation
Regards Richard..

[Lechmere]

Barnett is unconvincing not because he is old hat, but because he was questioned by the police for four hours, had his alibi checked and his clothes examined.
Trying to revive him as a suspect after he was explicitly cleared by the police at the time - who knew all about the ex-boyfriend scenario - is a bit fruitless I would suggest.

Also he was a porter not a fish gutter. Carrying fish around would not have given him any experience in wielding a knife.

[moonbegger]

Also he was a porter not a fish gutter. Carrying fish around would not have given him any experience in wielding a knife.

Unlike a Carman

Moonbegger

[curious]

For sometime I have wondered if curiosity played a part in the mutilations.

They changed and grew with his kill.

The killer taking a body part home to examine where he had light might answer a question or two for him -- and for us.

Then, having the good luck to do an indoor kill gave him unprecedented time to strip the skin and flesh off the face and the muscles from the arms. I wonder if exploring a complete body might have answered enough questions that he felt satisfied with what he had learned.

Perhaps the later deaths (IF by the same man) are less invasive because his need to kill was still somewhat active, but his need to know about the female body had been satisfied.

curious

[GUT]

G'day Richard

Hi Gut.
Yes Barnett, said she asked him, to read about the murders, but we only have only his word on that, he could hardly say...I read the papers to frighten her...
Still Barnett as a suspect is old hat now, and more or less dismissed....very unwise not to have some reservation
Regards Richard..

So why mention it at all?

[moonbegger]

For sometime I have wondered if curiosity played a part in the mutilations.

They changed and grew with his kill.

curious

Hello Curious , hope all is well . the thing is , we don't actually know how long he desired to spend with each victim . We know that if Stride was a Ripper killing , then he was undoubtedly disturbed , as was he in bucks row halfway through the Nichols mutilation ( according to contemporary sources ) Then we have Chapman , for my mind the only killing (apart from Kelly) where he had time on his side . Mitre Sq would have been tight also , So I think the timing issue's would have played a bigger part in the mutilations than curiosity . just my take .

cheers

moonbegger

[Lechmere]

Moonbeggar
Barnett's employment at Billingsgate as a Porter is advanced in support of his candidacy as Jack the Ripper in the mistaken belief that it gave him knife skills.
Lechmere's candidacy isn't linked to knife skills associated with his employ as a carman. But now you mention it, his mother ran a horse flesh business - for cat's meat purposes. One of Charles Lechmere's children prepared and sold Cat's Meat. In the early 1890s Charles Lechmere ran a shop in the same location where his son went on to sell Cat's Meat from. This is suggestive that Charles Lechmere may well have had flesh cutting knife skills - at least there is a stronger basis for proposing it than there is for Barnett.

[moonbegger]

Was just pulling your leg , so to speak Lech , Where was his shop ?

moonbegger

[Lechmere]

Yes Moonbeggar I thought as much - but I thought I'd use the opportunity to throw out the Cat's Meat connection. I recently re-read an 'unbiased' comparison someone did between suspects, giving each characteristic a numerical value and Lechmere was given -5 for lack of knife skills, when in fairness he should at the very least have been given 0.
Anyway - he had shops at Broadway Market, Sceptre Road and Carlton Street.
His son, grandson and great grandson had a stall at Broadway Market up to the mid 1980's. Up to the Second World War it sold Cat's Meat.

[moonbegger]

Yes Moonbeggar I thought as much - but I thought I'd use the opportunity to throw out the Cat's Meat connection. I recently re-read an 'unbiased' comparison someone did between suspects, giving each characteristic a numerical value and Lechmere was given -5 for lack of knife skills, when in fairness he should at the very least have been given 0.
Anyway - he had shops at Broadway Market, Sceptre Road and Carlton Street.
His son, grandson and great grandson had a stall at Broadway Market up to the mid 1980's. Up to the Second World War it sold Cat's Meat.

So im guessing you've already connected the dots between .. Cats meat & Pet food shop at 29 Hanbury street .

moonbegger