Tell me who JTR was

[lynn cates]

good luck

Hello Mike. Good luck with the essay.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

spoof

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

Merely a lampoon.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

killer

Hello Gareth. Thanks.

Your signature, eh? What are you confessing to? (heh-heh)

(Reminds me of a line from "Murder by Death"--"Was there a murder or not?" Peter Sellers's reply? "Yes. Killed good week end.")

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn!

Hello DLDW. Your tag line, well . . . the devil made me do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tgjkq-xmO8

Cheers.
LC

I'm prob a bit too sauced to be certain what you are getting at, but am certain that was terribly accurate. Cheers mate.

[GUT]

Thanks Mike about to have a read.

[mklhawley]

G'day Mike

First time I've heard about the illness issue, where do I find your writing on it.

Thanks.

Hi GUT,

http://www.searchingfortruthwithabrokenflashlight.com/Other_Research.html

This should be start, and I have additional info that I'm collecting now.

[GUT]

G'day Abby

I think Barnett gets a walk, but is still worth a good look.

Fleming we just don't know enough about, I am not even 100% that we have found the right Fleming yet [Duck!!!].

In my opinion we have 10-20 suspects that continue to intrigue but I still think that in all probability it was an unknown.

[Abby Normal]

Care to flesh out the 10. BTW I agree that there are worse suspects than that three, my only question mark over the Joes is that I can not imagine the police doing a pretty thorough investigation into them, as regardless their knowledge of Serial Killers they certainly knew about domestic murders and her two most recent partners must have been examined pretty closely.

Hi gut
Yes, my biggest problem with Barnett as a suspect is that the police interrogated him and ruled him out. Plus he had an alibi. As I said I view all suspects as weak, but only see some as least weak than others.

On the other hand, he was one of the last to see her and killers have been known to fool police during interrogations and have fake alibis. Plus I can't help but note that her heart was missing. I think Mary Kelly is the key and I do think the evidence points to the probability that she knew her killer.

My problem with Fleming is that there just is not enough on him and the police as far as we know never found him. But he was an ex,known to I'll use her, be violent and ended up with mental issues so he has to be considered.

[GUT]

G'day Mike

First time I've heard about the illness issue, where do I find your writing on it.

Thanks.

[mklhawley]

I have to agree with you GUT, if Jack the Ripper was a sadosexual serial killer. If Tumblety was the killer, his motive would have been other than sadosexual, since he was homosexual. Taking this into account, if he had a different motive, post-1888 violence would not necessarily be an issue. In January of 1888, Tumblety told some folks that he didn't know if he was going to live to the next day. The quack doctor, who claimed he could cure just about everything, had some chronic issues. This leads to other motives, which I've written about.

Sincerely,
Mike

[GUT]

G'day mkhawley

Tumblety has to be up there if for no other reason than he does appear to have been on the police radar at the time.

The one thing that has always bothered me about him, is that I can't seem to tie him to much mayhem after 1890. I find t hard to accept that if one person committed the C5 [or C6 or even C10] that after MJK he went on to not kill again and again.

[mklhawley]

Hi all and Harry D,

I’m not discounting any of the possible suspects discussed. Personally, I enjoy the Lechmere discussions and it’s too bad Jonathan’s not around to discuss Druitt. I can only talk about my favorite, and yes, another Tumblety article is on the horizon.

Keep in mind the only Ripper suspect that Assistant Commissioner Anderson was caught investigating at the peak of the murders just after the Kelly murder was none other than Dr. Francis Tumblety:

The Brooklyn Citizen, November 23, 1888.
“Is He The Ripper?” A Brooklynite Charged With the Whitechapel Murders.
Superintendent Campbell Asked by the London Police to Hunt Up the Record of Francis Tumblety —
Captain Eason supplies the information and it is interesting Police Superintendent Campbell received a cable dispatch yesterday from Mr. Anderson, the deputy chief of the London Police, asking him to make some inquiries about Francis Tumblety,who is under arrest in England on the charge of indecent assault. Tumblety is referred to in the dispatch in the following manner: “He says he is known to you, Chief, as Brooklyn’s Beauty.” Tumblety was arrested in London some weeks ago as the supposed Whitechapel murderer…

If Anderson wasn’t caught requesting information on Tumblety, the conclusion by Tumblety minimalists would have been Tumblety was never on Anderson’s radar screen. Anderson never spoke of Tumblety, just like his loyal subordinate, Swanson.

Not only does Anderson’s request make no sense if Tumblety wasn’t considered a serious suspect by Scotland Yard, we have confirmation from another Scotland Yard senior officer, Chief Inspector Littlechild that Tumblety was a rather significant suspect,

“I never heard of a Dr D. in connection with the Whitechapel murders but amongst the suspects, and to my mind a very likely one, was a Dr. T. (which sounds much like D.) He was an American quack named Tumblety and was at one time a frequent visitor to London and…”

It’s also clear that once the MacKenzie murder occurred and Scotland Yard was convinced it was a Ripper victim, Tumblety - now in New York - could not have been the Ripper.

To not include Francis Tumblety in the top ten for Ripper suspects is to not take into account the people who had every piece of evidence not at our disposal today - Scotland Yard.

Sincerely,
Mike

[Wickerman]

We know Barnett was questioned for about 4 hours, that is a pretty fair grilling, even by today's standards, I personally find it hard to believe that Fleming wasn't investigated pretty closely as well as the other Joe if there was third. Same for Hutch. Some people want to believe that the police had absolutely no idea how to investigate a murder.

Just like today the police would have looked at each crime as an individual crime as well as part of a series.

We unfortunately don't know what was found out about them, but as far as we know they had cast iron alibis.

You've got it right on the money GUT.
We don't have a great many examples of this, but you can add Richardson's interrogation in the Chapman case. Violenia, who crumbled under pressure, and from notations added to internal police memo's we might see evidence that Packer was brought in a second time for an interview.

I'm sure the police hunted for Joe Fleming, but did they find him?

[GUT]

G'day Jon

Absolutely, no different than today.

We know Barnett was questioned for about 4 hours, that is a pretty fair grilling, even by today's standards, I personally find it hard to believe that Fleming wasn't investigated pretty closely as well as the other Joe if there was third. Same for Hutch. Some people want to believe that the police had absolutely no idea how to investigate a murder.

Just like today the police would have looked at each crime as an individual crime as well as part of a series.

We unfortunately don't know what was found out about them, but as far as we know they had cast iron alibis.

[Wickerman]

..... they certainly knew about domestic murders and her two most recent partners must have been examined pretty closely.

Absolutely, no different than today.